BNE Full Body Scanner.
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BNE Full Body Scanner.
Bravo Zulu to the English-speaking SO from a (well known, successful, listed) Asian carrier who refused to be scanned at BNE recently.
He opted for a pat-down, and was told that it was not an option. In reply, he said that in that case he will not be flying.
After quite a lot of too-ing and fro-ing, the on duty Manager somehow managed to get him airside for the flight, avoiding the scanner.
As someone who is senior to this chap, I am humbled by his strong approach, and hope that I show the same moral fortitude when placed in a similar situation.
He opted for a pat-down, and was told that it was not an option. In reply, he said that in that case he will not be flying.
After quite a lot of too-ing and fro-ing, the on duty Manager somehow managed to get him airside for the flight, avoiding the scanner.
As someone who is senior to this chap, I am humbled by his strong approach, and hope that I show the same moral fortitude when placed in a similar situation.
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Well done to that gentleman. An obscene waste of money and time is going into airport security and the innocent are being punished for the actions of a minority.
Nothing galls me more than the attitude of the arrogant and obnoxious puppets wearing airport security uniforms... As you can see I'm a little over airport security...
Nothing galls me more than the attitude of the arrogant and obnoxious puppets wearing airport security uniforms... As you can see I'm a little over airport security...
After quite a lot of too-ing and fro-ing, the on duty Manager somehow managed to get him airside for the flight, avoiding the scanner.
If I tried such a stunt it would probably end in my dismissal.
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I don't agree that it's a stunt Neville.
The pollies and vested interest parties that organise these regs don't subject themselves to anywhere close to the radiation that we do by virtue of our jobs. They probably don't get screened any where near as often as we do.
I'm sure if in the medical world, radiographers were told that they had to stay in the room with a patient undergoing X-rays, there woud be a hue an cry and bugger all X-rays would be took!
The pollies and vested interest parties that organise these regs don't subject themselves to anywhere close to the radiation that we do by virtue of our jobs. They probably don't get screened any where near as often as we do.
I'm sure if in the medical world, radiographers were told that they had to stay in the room with a patient undergoing X-rays, there woud be a hue an cry and bugger all X-rays would be took!
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Went through the scanner and was told after i had been scanned to remove my belt. I refused. Was told I could not be screened so I simply asked for my bag and told them I was going home. Was told to wait and the supervisor came over and asked me to undo my belt which i did. Proceed.
Its just a game.
Its just a game.
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I have no doubt that if a QF pilot took that approach, they would be fighting for their job. One only has to read the condescending memo issued to QF tech crew by the QF BNE Airport manager (Domestic) re: security and the tacit support it gets from Flt Ops.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/us...ners.html?_r=0
The Rapiscan backscatter units are so safe and effective they are to
be removed from USA airports. Millimeter wave type will remain in service.
The Rapiscan backscatter units are so safe and effective they are to
be removed from USA airports. Millimeter wave type will remain in service.
You cannot avoid the scanner. It is against the law to go through another form of screening for 24 hrs if you have refused to be scanned. You can change your mind and undergo body scanning at any time.
If this is the same incident I am aware of, it was one very nervous and then relieved SO that was advised he could and then did undergo scanning after initial refusal so that he could join his crew and avoid delaying the flight. There was no bravado in the instance I saw.
Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of it all (and I have been accused of being pro all of it, which I am not) the fact is it is now the law. If you break it or refuse to conform to it, be prepared for the consequences.
If this is the same incident I am aware of, it was one very nervous and then relieved SO that was advised he could and then did undergo scanning after initial refusal so that he could join his crew and avoid delaying the flight. There was no bravado in the instance I saw.
Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of it all (and I have been accused of being pro all of it, which I am not) the fact is it is now the law. If you break it or refuse to conform to it, be prepared for the consequences.
Slightly of topic but in the sane vein.
On a recent flight to Europe my companion was not allowed to carry a small bottle of water. fair enough.
But once through the security she was able to buy water in a much larger bottle.
Is that water screened and by whom?
On a recent flight to Europe my companion was not allowed to carry a small bottle of water. fair enough.
But once through the security she was able to buy water in a much larger bottle.
Is that water screened and by whom?
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Probably used to getting the legal option for a pat-down as is available in the US.
Pat-Downs | Transportation Security Administration
Pat-Downs | Transportation Security Administration
Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of it all (and I have been accused of being pro all of it, which I am not) the fact is it is now the law. If you break it or refuse to conform to it, be prepared for the consequences.
Either way you would unemployed for a few years if you took that path.
Maybe a dramatic way to exit for those thinking of retiring?
Are ALL airside employees (engineers, firefighters, refuellers, catering, Macas) subject to body scanning every time they enter their workplace?
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No. Only those people who are going to fly on the aircraft need to be screened. If you enter the departure area of an airport through the pax entry you will screen eg if you are accompanying a passenger to see them off but if you work airside eg baggage handler, maintenance etc you do not have to got through the pax entrance and don't need to be screened.
The whole thing is a farce.
The whole thing is a farce.
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The Rapiscan backscatter units are so safe and effective they are to
be removed from USA airports. Millimeter wave type will remain in service.
be removed from USA airports. Millimeter wave type will remain in service.
I agree. If you want to make a stand against the scanners you would want to have a pretty good plan B and a lot of money. I would suggest it would be a constitutional challenge in the High Court or some form of OH & S issue which you would have to prove in court to get your job back.
Either way you would unemployed for a few years if you took that path.
Either way you would unemployed for a few years if you took that path.
Of course all politicians are regularly scanned. If not, we should demand that they are, probably the most untrustworthy of all airport users and a quick way to get the law changed is by having them scanned daily..
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Are ALL airside employees (engineers, firefighters, refuellers, catering, Macas) subject to body scanning every time they enter their workplace?
What point would there be? For example, aircraft maintenance engineers need to purchase new tools from time to time and bring them airside (including trimming knives and other sharp implements). Staff also bring their lunch/dinner (large bottles/cans of drinks, food containers, etc) airside.... although there are random checks on MacDonald's takeaway bags
They also have tools of the trade, one being an aircraft that has hundreds of tonnes of jet fuel all at the pilots beck and call. More importantly a control column and a crash axe.
They also are allowed to take food and drink in any amount through domestic security and if you are travelling international and chose to take more than the normal 100mls all you need is a baby and fill your boots.
The system is flawed, it keeps the public convinced the government is doing something and they are, but what they are doing is not sensible. Whats new there?
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I recently travelled with my six month old daughter througg Sydney internationally. We had baby milk powder in a can. Baby milk powder in smaller quantities in zip lock bags. Baby milk Pre mixed in 250ml bottles, and not a peep out of security. Complete farce.
The answer in my opinion is to take 90% of the security personnel at airports ( it seems to take about 7 of them to manage one stationary x ray machine) and employ them doing basic background travel checks of flying passengers from when the tickets are purchased and from that identifying passengers for screening. The other 10% can carry out the screening.
If Aviation Security was really a priority the first thing to change after 9/11 would have been the ability to choose your seat when booking as the hijackers did. Also, the ability to determine which flights were full and which flights were only partially booked would also have been removed.This simple step to increasing security created no commercial benefit to anyone, it was not implemented. Ie, farce.
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PS before anyone rattles on about putting stuff like this on the Internet, the cowards ( I don't like the term Terrorists) had all this info wired 12 years ago.
The answer in my opinion is to take 90% of the security personnel at airports ( it seems to take about 7 of them to manage one stationary x ray machine) and employ them doing basic background travel checks of flying passengers from when the tickets are purchased and from that identifying passengers for screening. The other 10% can carry out the screening.
If Aviation Security was really a priority the first thing to change after 9/11 would have been the ability to choose your seat when booking as the hijackers did. Also, the ability to determine which flights were full and which flights were only partially booked would also have been removed.This simple step to increasing security created no commercial benefit to anyone, it was not implemented. Ie, farce.
Framer
PS before anyone rattles on about putting stuff like this on the Internet, the cowards ( I don't like the term Terrorists) had all this info wired 12 years ago.
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Here here framer,
If the security services were serious and honest, they would indeed implement some common sense measures.
Of course if they profiled passengers, they would most likely find that based on past history, demographics and behavioural science that a certain individual would emerge......but we can't be seen to discriminate can we?
If the security services were serious and honest, they would indeed implement some common sense measures.
Of course if they profiled passengers, they would most likely find that based on past history, demographics and behavioural science that a certain individual would emerge......but we can't be seen to discriminate can we?
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Of course if they profiled passengers, they would most likely find that based on past history, demographics and behavioural science that a certain individual would emerge......but we can't be seen to discriminate can we?
Before PC swept the world ...... I was often picked out for questioning or a search. Male, travelling alone, booked at short notice, one way ticket, passport nationality A, issued in country B, resident in country C, journey beginning in country D and ending in country E. Passport full of stamps from 'odd' countries. Suspicious!
Did it worry me? No. Did it make me feel safer .... in some ways yes. Because I understood that the people were doing their job properly and with courtesy, not like the meatheads now who snatch water bottles out of children's hands, I was polite and cooperative. I remember leaving FRA with a huge box of Stollen and a bottle of German wine after one such stop, given to me by the 'interrogators' as thanks for being cooperative and making them laugh.
By the way, the Israelis still profile, and rightly so. And they don't seem to give a toss what the rest of the world thinks. Maybe others should adopt the same policy.