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make up the most draconian interpretation of the rules
Fantome, don't patronise me. It only shows you up in a poor light and lacking in respect.
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don't suppose you would care to give some specific examples?
2. If no dedicated lanes in the US, you go through pax channel but no need to get microwaved (and of course no LAGS for crew)
How about the new knife rule in the US? Or there are some jurisdictions where you don't need to remove your laptop from your bag - Hong Kong and Japan? (need to be corrected on this one).
Some Ausi ports you need to remove your IPad , some you don't.
In one Ausi port you need to put your entire flight bag in a " special" large tray, all the others you don't. That probably wouldn't bother me if they had them available but half the time they haven't kept them stockpiled and you have to wait for them to finish their conversation and get one for you.
In one Ausi port you need to put your entire flight bag in a " special" large tray, all the others you don't. That probably wouldn't bother me if they had them available but half the time they haven't kept them stockpiled and you have to wait for them to finish their conversation and get one for you.
I think they want you to remove and screen computers separately partly due to the fact that it can be opened.
Dedicated crew lanes would be a great idea but it comes down to a question of cost as well as the additional footprint of floor space. Unfortunately unlike US, Australia makes no provision for any exemption to the requirements so it would be hard justifying a dedicated lane.
Another frustrating inconsistency is that some screening points require you to carry your cigarette lighter on your person but at others you can have it in the bag.
Dedicated crew lanes would be a great idea but it comes down to a question of cost as well as the additional footprint of floor space. Unfortunately unlike US, Australia makes no provision for any exemption to the requirements so it would be hard justifying a dedicated lane.
Another frustrating inconsistency is that some screening points require you to carry your cigarette lighter on your person but at others you can have it in the bag.
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Another frustrating inconsistency is that some screening points require you to carry your cigarette lighter on your person but at others you can have it in the bag.
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Captain Nomad. I think you have fallen victim to some perhaps understandable confusion.
The security screening is done; not for DGs but for prohibited items not allowed to be taken airside through a security screening point. Such as 110ml of face cream. Once airside of course you can buy the face cream in an even greater quantity, and a cigarette lighter at ports with a smoking area and vendors that meet a demand and make a profit from such things.
The fact that an aware traveler removes metal objects from his pockets and places them in his bag so as to move efficiently through the screening process with the least delay to those behind him can not be the basis of an allegation of intent to commit the offense you point to.
If you are referring to situations where secondary screening is required at the gate due to the country of destination rules or an alert status then I understand what you are saying.
The security screening is done; not for DGs but for prohibited items not allowed to be taken airside through a security screening point. Such as 110ml of face cream. Once airside of course you can buy the face cream in an even greater quantity, and a cigarette lighter at ports with a smoking area and vendors that meet a demand and make a profit from such things.
The fact that an aware traveler removes metal objects from his pockets and places them in his bag so as to move efficiently through the screening process with the least delay to those behind him can not be the basis of an allegation of intent to commit the offense you point to.
If you are referring to situations where secondary screening is required at the gate due to the country of destination rules or an alert status then I understand what you are saying.
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Can a security guard at a screening point be allowed to look at your asic? Ie take down your name and numbers written on it? Happend to me today. Just reached out and grabbed it and wrote it in his notebook. All because I was unhappy (but compliant) with his confusing and harrasing behaviour!
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Can someone explain why a small
Aerosol of deodorant with the lid on
Is okay, but not okay with the lid off??
when does the aerosol become the property
The security company? I got threatened
For breaking the spray mechanism before
I gave it to the neandathal confiscating it.
Aerosol of deodorant with the lid on
Is okay, but not okay with the lid off??
when does the aerosol become the property
The security company? I got threatened
For breaking the spray mechanism before
I gave it to the neandathal confiscating it.
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Neanderthals developed into modern man and became relatively civilised.
I think it is entirely inappropriate to refer to some security staff as Neanderthals as they display no potential for such development or civilisation.
I think it is entirely inappropriate to refer to some security staff as Neanderthals as they display no potential for such development or civilisation.
Do you really think the screeners decide what they will and won't allow through a screening point? Those decisions are made by OTS and generally in consulation with the same outfits that you work for.
You really are barking up the wrong tree taking your frustraion out on them. Sure they are an easy shot to take your frustrations out on but some of the comments here do make me wonder about the maturity and common sense of some.
If you don't like the way you are spoken to you always have the right to make a complaint to their supevisor or even take it up with the screening authority which will be either the airline or airport operator. Too bad many seem to think a better way is to come on here and do nothing but stamp their feet and make childish insults because screeners don't bow in awe to the superior beings who despite regular travel don't understand the basic requirements.
You really are barking up the wrong tree taking your frustraion out on them. Sure they are an easy shot to take your frustrations out on but some of the comments here do make me wonder about the maturity and common sense of some.
If you don't like the way you are spoken to you always have the right to make a complaint to their supevisor or even take it up with the screening authority which will be either the airline or airport operator. Too bad many seem to think a better way is to come on here and do nothing but stamp their feet and make childish insults because screeners don't bow in awe to the superior beings who despite regular travel don't understand the basic requirements.
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I appreciate that the 'operators' work according to rules defining what may or may not be allowed. What I do not accept is that the way some, and it's as always a minority, speak to people when there has been no cause for rudeness, and the bullying threatening attitude they adopt, often towards small children and the elderly.
I can't speak for others but I can assure you that when appropriate I do complain, to them, to the supervisor, and in writing to the authority. The fact that I also express it here does not mean I have not complained through the appropriate channels.
I can't speak for others but I can assure you that when appropriate I do complain, to them, to the supervisor, and in writing to the authority. The fact that I also express it here does not mean I have not complained through the appropriate channels.
because screeners don't bow in awe to the superior beings who despite regular travel don't understand the basic requirements.
What I do not accept is that the way some, and it's as always a minority, speak to people when there has been no cause for rudeness, and the bullying threatening attitude they adopt,
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Stateside, when travelling on staff tickets, ('Stamped' as such) I put my hands above my head, until they tell me to put them down, I'm effectively being treated as a criminal, and so I raise my hands above my head as though I am being apprehended....
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Do you really think the screeners decide what they will and won't allow through a screening point? Those decisions are made by OTS and generally in consulation with the same outfits that you work for.
It IS the screener who decides what they will and will not allow through. The inconsistency between screeners is abysmal.
Same airport, separate days, and you have a completely different approach and attitude from the screening staff. One day one item is fine, the next it is banned and confiscated. One day you have extremely polite and great screening staff who make light conversation and make the experience pleasant, the next day it is nothing but blunt instructions and rudeness.
One airport has one policy at one screening point, and another at another, even though they both access the same sterile area...
Staff are also simply not in a position to make a complaint. Most airlines label staff who complain as troublemakers, and it is pretty clear that operations managers at airlines do not have any sway. Delay a flight because you are upholding your right to discuss an issue with the supervisor... you'd want to be pretty confident. Even the admitted targetting of flight crew at one particular airport for explosive trace detection because they don't (read can't) complain took a long time to be stopped. Yes, it happened, and yes, it was put in writing at the time.
Staff are absolutely powerless to influence the continued ridiculous and unacceptable variation in standard at our screening points, and have finally reached a breaking point. As much as it is nice to say that all crew should be polite and not rock the boat, when you have been subjected to this for so long, even the most sane and sensible amongst us reach a breaking point. Crew are going to complain - and here is at least a venting place that doesn't get you into trouble.
As an aside - if anyone can explain why a pilot should go through the standard detector, have their bags screened, undergo explosive trace detection, and THEN be selected for random pat down screening requiring the removal of uniform such as wings, tie and belt, I'd love to hear it. I'd also like to know why the screeners should be surprised, and indignant, that a request was made for this to occur in private. I'd be particularly interested in why they are also not equipped for this staffing wise, and 10 minutes elapsed before such a screening could occur, and in this time no other passengers for the flight were selected for ETS or pat down screening. Good use of resources? Having to close a screening lane just to have enough staff to do a private screening? Really?
A comfy chair,
Could not agree more about the inconsistencies that occur from airport to airport and dare I say even between screening points on the same airport. This problem is well known and is one of the many things being addressed. As there are many screening authorities the problem is that each develop their own interpretation on what is a prohibited item where it is not specifically prescribed in the regs.
I do agree that there should be some concession to flight crews but when you look at that from a commercial point of view, it would be cost prohibitive at most ports to establish a dedicated screening lane for a group that would constitute less than 10% of total throughput. .
At the meetings I attend none of the carriers representatives seem to be raising concerns on behalf of flight crew. It is your own company security that you need to raise these issues with.
Could not agree more about the inconsistencies that occur from airport to airport and dare I say even between screening points on the same airport. This problem is well known and is one of the many things being addressed. As there are many screening authorities the problem is that each develop their own interpretation on what is a prohibited item where it is not specifically prescribed in the regs.
I do agree that there should be some concession to flight crews but when you look at that from a commercial point of view, it would be cost prohibitive at most ports to establish a dedicated screening lane for a group that would constitute less than 10% of total throughput. .
At the meetings I attend none of the carriers representatives seem to be raising concerns on behalf of flight crew. It is your own company security that you need to raise these issues with.
YPJT, I fly internationally and at many ports there is a sign at the security points clearly stating, 'Priority for Flight Crew' or words to that effect. This enables us to legitimately, and of course politely, push in to the queues so that we can get on with our jobs and get the people to where they want to go.
There is no need for a separate crew channel, surely the security budget runs to a cheap sign. I offered to go down to Officeworks once and make one up for my base port, but when I suggested it to the security wallahs the eyes just glazed over...
There is no need for a separate crew channel, surely the security budget runs to a cheap sign. I offered to go down to Officeworks once and make one up for my base port, but when I suggested it to the security wallahs the eyes just glazed over...
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' a comfy chair' that is an excellent post & says it all really.
Some of the screeners are polite & have some respect but others don't even deserve the Neanderthal tag, too good for them!
I've said it a few times in the past the terrorists have done their job well in the past they need never step aboard a plane again all they have to do is sit back & watch the western world self destruct!
Wmk2
Some of the screeners are polite & have some respect but others don't even deserve the Neanderthal tag, too good for them!
I've said it a few times in the past the terrorists have done their job well in the past they need never step aboard a plane again all they have to do is sit back & watch the western world self destruct!
Wmk2
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