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Old 17th Oct 2012, 00:37
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Velocity

Velocity to be the new RTF for Virgin Australia which includes all domestic ops, plus international ops (Bluey, Pacific Blue and VEE-OZ). End of an era.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 01:28
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lame.

An agreement with Virgin Atlantic to stay away from their numbers couldn't be reached? It works with VS200/201.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 07:08
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I didn't think they could use the same call sign as they are all seperate AOCs and therefore seperate entities legally. And if you could join them up why not use Virgin?
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 07:39
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The way I read the instruction, Velocity replaces Virgin but Bluey, Vee Oz etc stayed as they were. I suspect in practice it will be "vir.. I mean velocity", same as we now have "vir.. I mean bluey"

The again we were told months ago that Chobham were changing to jetconnect FNC's but that hasn't yet.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 07:56
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Well it would be good if someone in Virgin could clear up what we are going to call them because whomever wrote the Airservices instruction is an idiot. I haven't read a worse written instruction in 20 years.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 08:26
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Jack Ranga - agreed, and thats up against some fierce competition.
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The again we were told months ago that Chobham were changing to jetconnect FNC's but that hasn't yet.
]Who told you that? One of the cabin crew

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Old 17th Oct 2012, 09:42
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Who told you that? One of the cabin crew
No one so reliable. It was in our bumper fun book of changes that almost but not quite always entirely pointless or irrelevant (as a National Instruction or Temporary Local Instruction or Standardisation Directive or AIC or General Information Circular or something), so someone from the blunt end of ATC.

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Old 17th Oct 2012, 10:18
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Out of interest where did this info come from?

Is it an ATC instruction?
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 11:51
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Velocity has 4 syllables; just the ideal if you want to enhance confusion in foreign skies,....

Could come out as verocity, or veelo ceety, or..... velly chitty or.... velly sorry ...or...

depending on your local dialect. I am sure others have good imaginations.

Go the whole hog, why not use 5 or 6 syllables instead.

Someone give the quarter-wit who thought of this a short course in human factors and communications..
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 11:58
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...Velocity replaces Virgin but Bluey, Vee Oz etc stayed as they were.
Velocity replaces the telephony prefix for all of these FNC.

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Old 17th Oct 2012, 12:35
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The again we were told months ago that Chobham were changing to jetconnect FNC's
Nut on yu nilly, bro!
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 12:47
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Nothing from the company to pilots about the change.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 13:15
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Nothing from the company to pilots about the change.
I've seen the documentation and it's a clear instruction. It's designed to standardise all the separate Virgin ops under one callsign. Officially VOZ never had a recognised callsign, "VIRGIN" was simply taken up by crew/atc instead of "VOZZ" I guess (and DEEJAY before it). If I'm correct the ICAO designators stay the same (PBN etc) it's simply for phraseology. I'll find out when it comes in to effect tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
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When do you controllers think it is effective?
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From NIC 15/2012

Virgin group currently use callsigns VAU (Vee‐Oz), PBN (BlueBird), VBH (Bluey), and VOZ (no allocated telephony).
As no telephony is currently associated with VOZ, ATC and pilots have been using ‘Virgin’ as the telephony in Australian domestic airspace.
From 29 October 2012, Virgin group intend to flight plan callsigns:
 VAU (Vee‐Oz)
 PBN (BlueBird)
 VBH (Bluey)
 VOZ (unofficially Virgin)
as one FNC ‐ VOZ (.Velocity.).
ICAO Doc 8585 will be amended in due course.
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 23:35
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I rest my case...........

What telephony is to be used?
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Old 18th Oct 2012, 00:11
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Velocity has 4 syllables; just the ideal if you want to enhance confusion in foreign skies
Yes a poor choice given the millions of words available to them.
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Old 18th Oct 2012, 02:15
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What telephony is to be used?
I read that as Virgin planes will only use VOZ which should be spoken as Velocity. VAU PBN etc. are gone.
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Old 18th Oct 2012, 02:56
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Ridiculous. As bad as the Chinese four syllable airlines. What is wrong with using VAU/VEE-OZ? At least it's already registered.

Or, now that DJ has lost its VIRGINity, how about we follow Virgin America's REDWOOD with something colourful like, um, BLUEBALLS?

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