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Alliance Airlines A320

Old 17th Aug 2012, 03:11
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Alliance Airlines A320

Im hearing alot of talk from the guys out here in the west about alliance getting an A320 and taking skywest head on
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 04:39
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Head on at what?
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 06:54
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Chief Pilot, ex-CX A330/340 fleet manager. F100 Fleet Manager, ex-Jetstar A320 skipper, so anything is possible.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 03:02
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Maybe sooner than i thought, highly doubt a 737 though
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Alliance Airline's B737-476 ZK-JTQ msn 24442 is set to be replaced this September upon termination of its current leasing arrangements, sources say that another B737 albet it a -300 series aircraft being aquired from Europe to replace this aircraft on is services from Perth to Karratha. The replacement aircraft will arrive ex: New Zealand and be ZK registered. (No further details avail at this time)
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 04:48
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isnt Jetgo commited to Griffith?
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Airline dogfight with new carrier in the mix
REX’S monopoly hold over the city is about to be broken.
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A new airline has confirmed it will pick up the dumped Griffith to Melbourne route, with a start date likely to be announced in the next two weeks.
In addition to the Melbourne route, the new carrier has long-term plans to link Griffith to several capital cities, as well as offering direct flights to other regional centres for the first time.
It has also promised a capped fare structure, where ticket prices will be the same whether they’re booked 30 days in advance or 30 minutes before the flight.
The name of the carrier will be kept under wraps until the launch for commercial in-confidence reasons.
The Melbourne route will be serviced by two jet-engine aircraft, which will fly between Griffith and Melbourne twice a day. Each one-way trip is expected to take less than 40 minutes.
Griffith City Council has been working with the airline since early May, when Rex announced it was no longer viable to operate between Griffith and Melbourne.
Griffith mayor Mike Neville said the results of a survey conducted by council and the new carrier last month would be used to determine the flight schedule.
“It’s a pretty positive sign that another airline has done the sums and determined that it is viable to fly between Griffith and Melbourne,” Cr Neville said.
“The schedule will allow businesspeople from Melbourne to get here daily and people from Griffith to travel to Melbourne for business, health, education or any other reason.
“That’s a big deal for us so we’re pleased that this airline saw the opportunity and chose to take it.”
A spokesman for the airline said community consultation would be carried out regularly to ensure scheduling and pricing continued to meet local needs.
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He said airline management was in the advanced stages of finalising a number of routes through Airservices Australia and would make an announcement as soon as landing times in Melbourne had been confirmed.
“I’ve listened to the people of Griffith about timing instead of just telling them when they can fly,” the spokesman said.
“We are mindful of the fact the Griffith will lose it’s Melbourne service on July 1 and we will work very hard to uptake the service at that time.”
The airline’s owners and management will be in Griffith this week to finalise arrangements with council.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 11:06
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....yawn....

If we're running a pool on this one, I give them 29 weeks.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 12:03
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 20:50
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Not likely

They couldn't be getting an A320. There aren't 8 wrecks in their hangar to support it.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 22:06
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They couldn't be getting an A320. There aren't 8 wrecks in their hangar to support it.
ROFLMAO.
If some busted A320s start appearing in the shadowier parts of the YBBN taxiway system we'll know there's truth to the rumour...
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 10:23
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People may snigger about the collection of F100's about the place, but Alliance have very prudently acquired these aircraft at the right time/right price and then been in a position to place them into service comparatively quickly once contracts are won.

Their exponential fleet growth over the past few years, primarily using an aircraft well-suited to FIFO operations to airports with a low ACN, is the envy of many operators.

Laugh you may, but they keep steadily growing.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 10:48
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For sure, and good luck to them. They also manage to keep their staff engaged and happy, though they pay less than the big guys.
It's still worthy of a snigger though. YBBN wouldn't be YBBN without the Ol' Fokkers' Home.

Like all Ol' Fokkers they're often seen in quiet spots snoozing in the sunshine, looking a bit worse for wear and having occcasional incontinence problems.

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Old 22nd Aug 2012, 19:03
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When compliance with CASA's new maintenance rules becomes mandatory in the middle of next year, AOC holders will have a 3 year grace period to ensure that all aircraft that operate under their AOC have had an Airworthiness Review Certificate issued.

The new rules around the airworthiness review process are very prescriptive and the compliance process becomes a long and tedious activity for older aircraft, especially those that have been operated by a number of carriers as the maintenance record requirement is "back to birth" for the aircraft.

This will present a significant challenge for operators that have "inspected in" their airworthiness assurance when sourcing parts from salvaged aircraft. Not to say that this process is inappropriate or less airworthy, just that tracing "back to birth" compliance becomes extremely difficult.

I suspect that this will prevent some aircraft continuing RPT operations past middle of 2016.

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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 02:13
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MP, Can you point me to the legislation that details this "back to birth" requirement.

From skimming over CASR Part 42.I which details the Airworthiness Review Certificatation process, the closest I can find is:
"42.900 (1) (h) for each aeronautical product that is fitted to the aircraft and has a life limit, the records:

(i) correctly identify the aeronautical product; and

(ii) show that the aeronautical product has not exceeded its life limit at the time the airworthiness review is carried out;"
The ARC process looks rigorous (and boring, unless you like auditing) to be sure, but to suggest that Fokker operators would have to retire their fleet in 2016 is ridiculous.
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 05:00
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I remember talking to SMM some years ago and he was interested in the A318/A319 for future operations, so maybe there is something to it? The values of them seem to be low enough to justify it - most A318s are going for scrap after the end of their leases.
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 05:03
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...most A318s are going for scrap after the end of their leases.
What are the repair bills like as they age though? Wouldn't all those fancy Airbus electronic systems be a problem?
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 07:12
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MP, Can you point me to the legislation that details this "back to birth" requirement.
You're right, back to birth isn't actually stated. It is put this way: The first airworthiness review of each aircraft must cover the entire history of the aircraft to establish a baseline of airworthiness.

Back to birth was used a bit loosely by me in that post, but the requirement is the same. GM 42.900 (1) refers and it can be found at the link provided below. The wording in the first paragraph should be noted regarding this being the minimum requirement.

I didn't mean anything with regard to Fokker aircraft, what I meant is that this process is extremely complex for aircraft (and major components) with a colored life history.

http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma...6/amcgmp42.pdf

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Old 19th Sep 2012, 02:20
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ZK-SLA is over in Perth now in all white. ex CZA of Ansett. JTQ is going to become a freighter apparently and join the other "Toll" aircraft.
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CZA? wow didnt Noah drive that? must 80k hours on it
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CZA? wow didnt Noah drive that? must 80k hours on it
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