CX A340, YPPD.
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Dianne McLernon was waiting at the international airport to pick up her son, who had been due in on a flight from Hong Kong that was diverted to Port Hedland. "He's not well, so he's really looking forward to getting home," she said.
Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches said an upgrade to the kind of infrastructure used at many airports in Europe and the US would cost up to $20 million but would only help in landings, not departures.
But seriously, what do we expect from a state that is only just about to embrace Sunday trading!
What a load of rubbish from an airport manager. With proper LVO equipment departures can be made in fog down to 150 m Runway Visual Range...
like we can in India
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like we can in India
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Will someone in the (preferably Western Australian) media please hold these clowns to account. Ben Sandilands ?? Geoffrey Thomas ??
If an international airport manager has never heard of Cat II/III approaches and he is either unqualified or lying.
If an international airport manager has never heard of Cat II/III approaches and he is either unqualified or lying.
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Of course some airlines seem to ignore the fact that the visibility is below landing minima at Perth and land anyway.
Geoffrey Thomas ??
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The WAC clowns can't even fix leaking aerobridges let alone upgrade to LVO capability. I would love for Brad to actually name names of Airlines who have stated upgrades to existing infrastructure are not necessary, and if indeed this is true maybe they should 
off to Jandakot instead.
How about adding another 400 meters to RWY 06/24 and putting some decent lighting in while they are at it.
off to Jandakot instead.How about adding another 400 meters to RWY 06/24 and putting some decent lighting in while they are at it.
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Perth Airport says it will go ahead with an upgrade that would allow planes to operate in reduced visibility and potentially avoid chaos caused by fog only if airlines push for it.
Perth Airport says it will go ahead with an upgrade that would allow planes to operate in reduced visibility and potentially avoid chaos caused by fog only if airlines PAY for it.
Tangan:-- just curious but for T/O my outfit allow only 150 m in MEL.
SYD without LVO requires 550 m as it doesn't have the lights etc.
How'd your company get 125 m in SYD?
SYD without LVO requires 550 m as it doesn't have the lights etc.
How'd your company get 125 m in SYD?
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. Good call Nitpicker, keep us posted on how it goes
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I love this B/S about fog being so rare that it is not an issue, one wonders whether or not they factored in just how isolated and dodgy the weather in Perth can be.
Just to add fuel to the fire, with all these airlines flying into Perth without fuel for an alternate, what would happen if an aircraft became disabled on the runway and infringed both 03/06?
CAT 1, no RWY centreline lights, 45m wide runway, at an airport that year round is exposed to most of the worlds known inclement weather issues (windshear/thunderstorms/hail/fog/turbulence/hot weather etc.) but there again according to certain airline managers we are overpaid whinging bus drivers...
Also, what's the ACN of an A340 at MLW? It must have been pushing boundaries landing in YPPD, given the PCN is 39 (+10% = 43 with overload...)
Just to add fuel to the fire, with all these airlines flying into Perth without fuel for an alternate, what would happen if an aircraft became disabled on the runway and infringed both 03/06?
CAT 1, no RWY centreline lights, 45m wide runway, at an airport that year round is exposed to most of the worlds known inclement weather issues (windshear/thunderstorms/hail/fog/turbulence/hot weather etc.) but there again according to certain airline managers we are overpaid whinging bus drivers...
Also, what's the ACN of an A340 at MLW? It must have been pushing boundaries landing in YPPD, given the PCN is 39 (+10% = 43 with overload...)
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My dim recollection is that YPPD was only an emergency alternate in CX. So was it an emergency - were they that short of fuel - it wasn't declared as such although as one poster put it "They sounded quite stressed on Ctr."?
The PCN observation is interesting. Can anyone enlighten us to the ACN of an A340 although I doubt it was at MLW?
The PCN observation is interesting. Can anyone enlighten us to the ACN of an A340 although I doubt it was at MLW?
The flight departed with Island Reserve which for those not aware means 2 hours of fuel at cruise power for holding over the airport instead of carrying a suitable alternate like Adelaide or even back to Bali. There is certain requirements for weather etc that have to be met for this to be used instead of an alternate. As mentioned before seeing the weather report for the trip shows no fog forecast. Seeing light rain up till early evening then CAVOK from 3 am onwards didn't seem to trigger alarm bells for the met office
Without knowing the actual fuel uplifted it seems the Island Reserve fuel luckily just matched the diversion fuel to Headland based on wether or not they trucked all the way to Perth first.
7 hours and 30 mins thru the night 2 crew to be greeted with fog and bare bones minimum fuel to Port Headland would probably induce a nervous tone on any radio call.
Without knowing the actual fuel uplifted it seems the Island Reserve fuel luckily just matched the diversion fuel to Headland based on wether or not they trucked all the way to Perth first.
7 hours and 30 mins thru the night 2 crew to be greeted with fog and bare bones minimum fuel to Port Headland would probably induce a nervous tone on any radio call.
At CX, YPPD can't be planned as a destination alternate, but it can be used once airborne if the weather turns pooey after the flight dispatched with island reserve fuel. It can also be used as a 'normal' ERA, but not as an ETOPS ERA.
As for the PCN, it's around the 50 mark, and yes, CX does have a pavement concession.
There was no emergency, they simply diverted while they still had enough fuel to get there with the necessary reserves intact. I'd probably sound a bit stressed too, if I'd been up all night (2 crew ops) and then had to divert to an unfamiliar, uncontrolled airfield in the middle of nowhere.
As for the PCN, it's around the 50 mark, and yes, CX does have a pavement concession.
There was no emergency, they simply diverted while they still had enough fuel to get there with the necessary reserves intact. I'd probably sound a bit stressed too, if I'd been up all night (2 crew ops) and then had to divert to an unfamiliar, uncontrolled airfield in the middle of nowhere.
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Exactly PER, ADL, MEL, SYD, BNE.
Although there is much posturing and crying 'poor' from CX due to the cost of complying with Aussie labour law.
Flight crew morale is not good and most are working like dogs so I cannot imagine too many PER crew volunteering their services on days off for a 'rescue' of the flight in question.
Although there is much posturing and crying 'poor' from CX due to the cost of complying with Aussie labour law.
Flight crew morale is not good and most are working like dogs so I cannot imagine too many PER crew volunteering their services on days off for a 'rescue' of the flight in question.
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