PPRUNE change of Privacy Policy
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IF this is true then perhaps you should change the name of the site, Rumours can get you into serious trouble. 
Maybe call it PFC...............
No, that does not stand for what you think
it is Pilots Factual Comments.
Maybe call it PFC...............
No, that does not stand for what you think
it is Pilots Factual Comments.
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Only if it was with you Worrals!
Depends on whether we could bring in a few bottles of good Red with us though.
Depends on whether we could bring in a few bottles of good Red with us though.
Those that don't like the truth?
If they spent all that time working on their product they wouldn't need to freak out about occasional bad reviews.
Smoke, fire, etc.
Can a SLAPP subpoena be served in Australia, if an Australian business/individual felt they'd been wronged? The wiki site makes no reference either way.
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So what can we expect? Staff meetings in toilets with a guard outside, phones tapped, strange men in dark raincoats in lurking around the hangers, staff passing notes in pie bags, CC having meetings in the Lower lobe, Techies leaving notes in each others nav bags, (to be destroyed upon reading) messages left behind pictures in hotel rooms when up the track (we use to leave playboy and other intellectual readings) QF and JQ staff the possibilities are endless, you have entered a new dimension, you are not aloud to voice your opinion, Joyce is no longer to be referred to as a 
but a gentleman with a difficult personality. Ok lets all move on. Tailwind we shall do as you say, as the KGB is now sniffing around.
but a gentleman with a difficult personality. Ok lets all move on. Tailwind we shall do as you say, as the KGB is now sniffing around.
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Staff meetings in toilets with a guard outside,
Kebab, anyone? I know a great place, which I'll tell you in person, not on frigging Facebook.
Remember to keep the kebab in front of your mouth when you talk. Whenever you speak keep a mouthful of kebab on the go as well.
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Can a SLAPP subpoena be served in Australia, if an Australian business/individual felt they'd been wronged?
Having obtained a user's IP address and email address, an aggreived person would then need to make a new, separate application in an Australian Court for an order for the ISP (Telstra etc) to release the users name and address.
It is not a quick, simple or cheap process of discovery which can be slowed or even frustrated by "annonymous" type email addresses and a dynamic IP address. Email adresses that contain a users actual name (@) Bigpond or similar ISP make it easy to idntify the user.
All IB/PPRuNe has on record for users is the details you submitted in your profile, your posts, and the IP address of the computer terminal from which the post(s) were made.
Mods are often abused for deleting posts and threads, however the vast majority of deleted posts and threads is solely to protect the user from any possibility of legal action.
Regardless of any changes in IB privacy policies, I will always do everything I can to protect the identity, annonymity and privacy of our users.
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It is not a simple or cheap process of discovery which can be slowed or even frustrated by "annonymous" type email addresses and a dynamic IP address. Email adresses that contain a users actual name (@) Bigpond or similar ISP make it easy to identify the user.
Regardless of any changes in IB privacy policies, I will always do everything I can to protect the identity, annonymity and privacy of our users.
At the end of the day, it's a risk any publisher takes, and anyone who posts to PPRuNe (or any other internet forum) is a publisher. Caveat Emptor.
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I think we should all come clean now. I'll start. My name is Steve.
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Tailwind, Canada has just repealed this nonsense, taking away the freedom of speech, one can only hope Australia and the US, UK etc follow soon. It is one thing to call your CEO a idiot, regardless of who he or she is, but it is hardly libelous, after most of the rest of the company probably agree with them, the only time it should become a issue is if the private life of the individual is delved into, like our current PM who keeps a hate file business going in her office, then a blogger should be warned about going too far.
idiot, regardless of who he or she is, but it is hardly libelous, after most of the rest of the company probably agree with them, the only time it should become a issue is if the private life of the individual is delved into, like our current PM who keeps a hate file business going in her office, then a blogger should be warned about going too far.
Ever since Dick Smith went Lawyers at 20 paces with that chick from CASA, it was obvious no one should say anything even remotely dubious on this forum. A sfor moderation, since Woomeri went to individual accounts, GD etc has gone to the shot. Personal bias reigns supreme.
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Tail wheel,
I am just so sick of all this rubbish from the US, supposed to be the Land of the Free, Defenders of everyones Rights, but they are NOT.
Under these circumstances, although I have never done anything wrong, I think I will stop using PPRuNe and any other site that has these disgusting policies, however it is obviously not enough just to leave so would you PLEASE advise how one can completely remove their indentities and all personal information from PPRuNe?
Thank you..................
I am just so sick of all this rubbish from the US, supposed to be the Land of the Free, Defenders of everyones Rights, but they are NOT.
Under these circumstances, although I have never done anything wrong, I think I will stop using PPRuNe and any other site that has these disgusting policies, however it is obviously not enough just to leave so would you PLEASE advise how one can completely remove their indentities and all personal information from PPRuNe?
Thank you..................
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The solution is simple: don't say anything that could injure a person's reputation unless you can prove it in court.
Our "rights" and freedoms don't, and shouldn't, extend to being allowed to spread BS stories about people.
Our "rights" and freedoms don't, and shouldn't, extend to being allowed to spread BS stories about people.
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The solution is simple: don't say anything that could injure a person's reputation unless you can prove it in court.
Our "rights" and freedoms don't, and shouldn't, extend to being allowed to spread BS stories about people.
Our "rights" and freedoms don't, and shouldn't, extend to being allowed to spread BS stories about people.
The speed limit in our street has been lowered recently from 60KPH to 50KPH, an excellent idea for safety and I am 100% in favour of it AND it being enforced, however IF the Police were to go back to ten years ago when I was doing 60KPH in our street and fine me I would NOT be pleased, the new rules can NOT be retrospective.
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Anthill. Except you can open a 2002 PPRuNe thread today and re-publish any libelous comments made a decade ago.
A SLAPP Subpoena does not require any proof of libel, defamation etc.
Let us ensure Australia is never burdened with similar ludicrous legislation.
A SLAPP Subpoena does not require any proof of libel, defamation etc.
A strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP) is a lawsuit that is intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.
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Careful Tail Wheel, or you may get slapped with a SLAPP.
You did not answer my query, is it possible to delete all reference to oneself from PPRuNe?
Just I did NOT agree to these ridiculous Yankee rules and I signed on in good faith using my real email address etc.
You did not answer my query, is it possible to delete all reference to oneself from PPRuNe?
Just I did NOT agree to these ridiculous Yankee rules and I signed on in good faith using my real email address etc.
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Has any Pruner been hit with a Libel charge and if so what? No names or details are necessary but just a general idea. As I said before if you criticize your company because you think it is justified, it is your right to do so, but if you criticise the CEO of your company attack them personally, and delve into their private lives then you could just get a knock on the door. Let us not get to the stage as the present govt wants, by forcing the media to stop reporting any material they consider harmful to them. We live in a democracy, (or supposed to) that entails freedom of speech, that is nbr one in a democracy, in blogs like this, moderators are there, as in all blogs, to weed out stuff that is inflammatory, liable, or down right raving and abusive. I assume the moderators on this site are either pilots or engineers, I have no idea if they get paid, but I cannot imagine anybody doing it for nothing, especially if they work, have family and commitments. It worries me some people appear fearful, don't be, if you shot your mouth off once to often then you would have heard by now, just keep it clean, no personal attack, if your outraged it is your right to say so, you do still live in a democracy even if it is teetering a little bit. It would be a dreadful thing if all of us decided to not ever make a statement again for fear of retaliation be it this blog or the media blogs. That is what they are after, do not let them have it.
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Yes, everything you are saying is correct, and I for one am happy to agree to these new terms and abide by them from now on, but I still do NOT see how on Earth this can apply to posts made under the old rules before today (this week, whatever), some a decade ago under different rules in a different time. 
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They would probably not stand up in court Air Supply. Your Lawyer would argue you had not been notified of such possibilites, and it would be probably thrown out.
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Thank you for trying to protect me by changing my username, but I do not think that will help.
I had never heard of this rubbish before in Australia, maybe I need to get out more, apparently it has been around for some time.
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SLAPP's in Australia
From SourceWatch
The phenomenon of lawsuits known as SLAPP's (Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation) which threaten the community's rights and ability to participate in public debate and political protest appears to be alive and well in Australia and in New Zealand.
The biggest example of a large corporation suing its opponents is Tasmanian timber giant Gunns Ltd suing twenty environmentalists in the Supreme Court in Victoria.[1] However, before the Gunns 20 case, there were a range of cases over the Hindmarsh Island bridge in South Australia [2] and over development on Hinchinbrook Island in Queensland, and a history of litigation documented initially by Sydney lawyer Bruce Donald.[3]
Some within industry circles have urged companies to sue critics as part of winning a debate. A column published in the Australian Journal of Mining in August 1988 advised readers that "anti-mining opponents generally make outrageous and defamatory claims. A crowd stopper in a debate is the threat of legal action. For example: you know that statement is false. If you repeat that statement I will place the matter in my hands of my solicitors Messrs Sue, Grabbit and Run.' Don't bluff about legal matters. Be prepared to litigate."
Law reform
On April 3, 2006 The Wilderness Society, one of the defendants in the Gunns20 case, launched a major report Gunning for Change documenting a range of Australian law suits against public participation and calling for law reform to establish and protect the right to to public participation.[4]
At the same time as The Wilderness Society report was launched, nearly 150 Australian lawyers signed up to a Public Interest Lawyers' Statement in Support of Public Participation Law Reform. A group of 40 British lawyers have also issued a statement condemning the Gunns case and calling for law reform.[5]
The Parliament of the ACT instituted hearings into a draft bill proposed by the Greens[6]. In 2008, the ACT Legislative Assembly passed Australia's first anti-SLAPP legislation,[7]. However, the Act was criticised as being weak and fatally flawed.
I had never heard of this rubbish before in Australia, maybe I need to get out more, apparently it has been around for some time.
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SLAPP's in Australia
From SourceWatch
The phenomenon of lawsuits known as SLAPP's (Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation) which threaten the community's rights and ability to participate in public debate and political protest appears to be alive and well in Australia and in New Zealand.
The biggest example of a large corporation suing its opponents is Tasmanian timber giant Gunns Ltd suing twenty environmentalists in the Supreme Court in Victoria.[1] However, before the Gunns 20 case, there were a range of cases over the Hindmarsh Island bridge in South Australia [2] and over development on Hinchinbrook Island in Queensland, and a history of litigation documented initially by Sydney lawyer Bruce Donald.[3]
Some within industry circles have urged companies to sue critics as part of winning a debate. A column published in the Australian Journal of Mining in August 1988 advised readers that "anti-mining opponents generally make outrageous and defamatory claims. A crowd stopper in a debate is the threat of legal action. For example: you know that statement is false. If you repeat that statement I will place the matter in my hands of my solicitors Messrs Sue, Grabbit and Run.' Don't bluff about legal matters. Be prepared to litigate."
Law reform
On April 3, 2006 The Wilderness Society, one of the defendants in the Gunns20 case, launched a major report Gunning for Change documenting a range of Australian law suits against public participation and calling for law reform to establish and protect the right to to public participation.[4]
At the same time as The Wilderness Society report was launched, nearly 150 Australian lawyers signed up to a Public Interest Lawyers' Statement in Support of Public Participation Law Reform. A group of 40 British lawyers have also issued a statement condemning the Gunns case and calling for law reform.[5]
The Parliament of the ACT instituted hearings into a draft bill proposed by the Greens[6]. In 2008, the ACT Legislative Assembly passed Australia's first anti-SLAPP legislation,[7]. However, the Act was criticised as being weak and fatally flawed.