Rival unions target Qantas
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I have a handful....
Shorten is a toad. So is Gillard, Combet and any other former Union brother who turns their back on the Union to become a rectum licking politician.
It is time to bring the house of cards down....
This is all the motivation I need-
It is time to bring the house of cards down....
This is all the motivation I need-
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How did it go in the ACTU meeting FedSec?
The ACTU are well aware of which unions pay the most in affiliation fees.
They are also equally aware of the danger posed by a union official who is not a Labor party member and is a free agent when it comes to what is said in the press.
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Options for tomorrow prior to Dick Smith run.
a) send meaningless politically correct email to other unions to ensure my career in politics is not in jeopardy (danger that email may be meaningless and not in interest of members)
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b) send email in plain english using words we would use on shop floor (danger that uni grad union leaders may not understand language and send straight to Murdoch press for interpretation)
a) send meaningless politically correct email to other unions to ensure my career in politics is not in jeopardy (danger that email may be meaningless and not in interest of members)
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b) send email in plain english using words we would use on shop floor (danger that uni grad union leaders may not understand language and send straight to Murdoch press for interpretation)
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The ACTU are well aware of which unions pay the most in affiliation fees.
Guess the membership figures will show that, and the public trustability surveys
Shorten, Thomson and friends are doing the movement more harm than bloody Howard.
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Trolls and ungrateful tools.
As a non Engineer, watching from the outside, I would say Steve P has done a stirling job.
He made the EMT looks like exactly what they are, and now the public knows.
Those who do not like what he has done have one of two options, nominate themselves as a union rep and have a crack themselves or shut up.
It amazes me how people will criticise when someone makes a stand, yet they don't have the stones to have a go themselves.
Good job Steve, do not listen to these retards.
To the nut less wonders, give yourself an upper cut from me.
As Steve P and many other have said, Gillard is a Liberal in Labor clothes, the Carbon Tax has sunk her battleship.
But who to replace her, Abbott, Hockey ?. I'd sooner vote for the teletubbies.
As a non Engineer, watching from the outside, I would say Steve P has done a stirling job.
He made the EMT looks like exactly what they are, and now the public knows.
Those who do not like what he has done have one of two options, nominate themselves as a union rep and have a crack themselves or shut up.
It amazes me how people will criticise when someone makes a stand, yet they don't have the stones to have a go themselves.
Good job Steve, do not listen to these retards.
To the nut less wonders, give yourself an upper cut from me.
As Steve P and many other have said, Gillard is a Liberal in Labor clothes, the Carbon Tax has sunk her battleship.
But who to replace her, Abbott, Hockey ?. I'd sooner vote for the teletubbies.
Cargo, What time does the 4 o'clock train arrive?
Perhaps Steve has been a bit busy with other matters?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-0...ment/3992950:D
Perhaps Steve has been a bit busy with other matters?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-0...ment/3992950:D
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Bill the Social climber - Yes Minister!
If you are a member of the ALAEA, have you considered making a simple phone call to the office? I'm sure you will be able to speak personally with one of the execs or industrial officers and have any query answered!
SP & his team are one of the most approachable union executives to get information straight from the horses mouth, nothing is a problem. SP has indeed done a sterling job on here. I wish some other union executives took a leaf out of SPs book and communicate to the members via forums similar to this.
As for Bill Shorten, he is false and is in this for himself in my view, he used the union movement to get a leg up in the Labor Party for a shot at being PM one day, nothing more.
He supported the mind boggling (lawyer fest) FWA legislation that is a reworded "Work Choices" the Liberals wanted, and has used it against the very people he once represented, the union movement, plain a simple really..
BS, suitable initials for the man.
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It's so funny when people don't want to listen to an alternate view. Hope you had a nice little march after deleting my posts. I'm sure that you're happy with your queen! Grow up.
Ok Ok sorry mods. Back on topic:
AWU/AMWU/CEPU traditionally cover the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME) classifications.
ALAEA traditionally cover the Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) classifications. They currently cover the CASA category 'B1', 'B2' and 'C' LAME classifications.
Seems fairly straightforward to me.
Can any ppruners explain to me why CASA category 'A' LAME Job Classification should be covered by any union other than the ALAEA?
AWU/AMWU/CEPU traditionally cover the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME) classifications.
ALAEA traditionally cover the Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) classifications. They currently cover the CASA category 'B1', 'B2' and 'C' LAME classifications.
Seems fairly straightforward to me.
Can any ppruners explain to me why CASA category 'A' LAME Job Classification should be covered by any union other than the ALAEA?
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Ok Ok sorry mods. Back on topic:
AWU/AMWU/CEPU traditionally cover the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME) classifications.
ALAEA traditionally cover the Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) classifications. They currently cover the CASA category 'B1', 'B2' and 'C' LAME classifications.
Seems fairly straightforward to me.
Can any ppruners explain to me why CASA category 'A' LAME Job Classification should be covered by any union other than the ALAEA?
AWU/AMWU/CEPU traditionally cover the Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME) classifications.
ALAEA traditionally cover the Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) classifications. They currently cover the CASA category 'B1', 'B2' and 'C' LAME classifications.
Seems fairly straightforward to me.
Can any ppruners explain to me why CASA category 'A' LAME Job Classification should be covered by any union other than the ALAEA?
Hi ACT Crusader:
There is no such thing as a Category A AME.
This is my understanding of the key difference between AME and LAME:
If you don't have a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C) then you are an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer)
When you have met CASA's requirements and are issued with a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C), you then become a LAME (Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer).
ALAEA covers LAME's. AMWU/AWU/CEPU covers AME's.
If you have a Licence, you're a LAME.
If you don't have a Licence, you're an AME.
Seems quite clear to me. What do you think?
Hey talkwrench unless I'm mistaken aren't we talking about Category A AMEs, rather than LAMEs? Hence the other unions beef.
This is my understanding of the key difference between AME and LAME:
If you don't have a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C) then you are an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer)
When you have met CASA's requirements and are issued with a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C), you then become a LAME (Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer).
ALAEA covers LAME's. AMWU/AWU/CEPU covers AME's.
If you have a Licence, you're a LAME.
If you don't have a Licence, you're an AME.
Seems quite clear to me. What do you think?
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There is no such thing as a Category A AME.
This is my understanding of the key difference between AME and LAME:
If you don't have a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C) then you are an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer)
When you have met CASA's requirements and are issued with a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C), you then become a LAME (Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer).
ALAEA covers LAME's. AMWU/AWU/CEPU covers AME's.
If you have a Licence, you're a LAME.
If you don't have a Licence, you're an AME.
Seems quite clear to me. What do you think?
This is my understanding of the key difference between AME and LAME:
If you don't have a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C) then you are an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer)
When you have met CASA's requirements and are issued with a CASA Licence (Category A,B1,B2,C), you then become a LAME (Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer).
ALAEA covers LAME's. AMWU/AWU/CEPU covers AME's.
If you have a Licence, you're a LAME.
If you don't have a Licence, you're an AME.
Seems quite clear to me. What do you think?
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Yes, it seems quite clear to me too, IF you have ANY Licence issued by CASA you are an LAME and IF you wish to be in a Union/Association then it would/should be the ALAEA. 
IF you do NOT have a Licence issued by CASA then you are what is now called an AME, this term applies now to anyone that works on the aircraft and is NOT Licenced.
I was near the end of my Apprenticeship when the ALAEA was started (1967 from memory) and joined the ALAEA as soon as I was Licenced in early 1969.
I always understood you could only be in the ALAEA if you were Licenced however I just read somewhere that the ALAEA does also cover some AMEs too, is this true Steve???
IF you do NOT have a Licence issued by CASA then you are what is now called an AME, this term applies now to anyone that works on the aircraft and is NOT Licenced.
I was near the end of my Apprenticeship when the ALAEA was started (1967 from memory) and joined the ALAEA as soon as I was Licenced in early 1969.
I always understood you could only be in the ALAEA if you were Licenced however I just read somewhere that the ALAEA does also cover some AMEs too, is this true Steve???
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WRONG ALAEA ccovers both see Forstaff Avalon and has done since the begining ALAEA even had WM sitting in with forstaff manager during interviews.
WM now Forstaffs head kicker.
WM now Forstaffs head kicker.
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Just found another site with info on the ALAEA, seems it is much more diverse than I realised all the 40 something years I have been in it.
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About ALAEA
The ALAEA is a federally registered Australian organisation that represents the industrial, technical and professional interests of Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (LAMEs) and other civil aircraft maintenance workers.
The desire to establish the ALAEA arose in the late fifties; the association was registered in 1967 in order for LAMEs to control the future of their profession. Today the ALAEA is a very successful organisation and a key player in aviation industrial issues.
ALAEA membership includes most LAMEs employed in regular public transport and regional airlines, and has widespread coverage of LAMEs and AMEs in General Aviation. Also currently membership extends to Technical Officers, Maintenance Planners Instructors, Librarians, Trades Assistants, Aircraft Tradespersons Sheetmetal workers and other aircraft maintenance personnel and support staff. Current membership is in excess of 4,000.
The Association is non-political. There are no affiliations with any political party and members are not permitted to use the Association for political purposes.
A liaison is maintained, where necessary, with all political parties and, if the need arises, the Association will lobby either Government or Opposition members to further the interests of all the ALAEA?s members.
The ALAEA is a pre-eminent aviation industry organisation that is actively involved in civil aviation regulatory issues and liases actively with Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) including participating as a member of the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC).
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About ALAEA
The ALAEA is a federally registered Australian organisation that represents the industrial, technical and professional interests of Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (LAMEs) and other civil aircraft maintenance workers.
The desire to establish the ALAEA arose in the late fifties; the association was registered in 1967 in order for LAMEs to control the future of their profession. Today the ALAEA is a very successful organisation and a key player in aviation industrial issues.
ALAEA membership includes most LAMEs employed in regular public transport and regional airlines, and has widespread coverage of LAMEs and AMEs in General Aviation. Also currently membership extends to Technical Officers, Maintenance Planners Instructors, Librarians, Trades Assistants, Aircraft Tradespersons Sheetmetal workers and other aircraft maintenance personnel and support staff. Current membership is in excess of 4,000.
The Association is non-political. There are no affiliations with any political party and members are not permitted to use the Association for political purposes.
A liaison is maintained, where necessary, with all political parties and, if the need arises, the Association will lobby either Government or Opposition members to further the interests of all the ALAEA?s members.
The ALAEA is a pre-eminent aviation industry organisation that is actively involved in civil aviation regulatory issues and liases actively with Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) including participating as a member of the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC).