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About equals our recent Qld election result
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About equals our recent Qld election result
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The Liberal government do support Big Business.
Remember the Qantas dispute when the government sided with Clifford and Co? With friends like that, who needs enemies.
I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM
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Fonz... thanks
If I was writing a letter to her, Ms Julia Gillard, but here having a rant and rave, it reminds us all that Julia the Liar is .....well....that!
If I was writing a letter to her, Ms Julia Gillard, but here having a rant and rave, it reminds us all that Julia the Liar is .....well....that!
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What we REALLY need is to get rid of Malcolm Turnbull, out of the party that is, replace Tony with Joe Hockey, and knuckle down to about a 5 year rebuilding process.
Problem is as much as I hate selling off airports and the like to fix the debts Labor creates, with less things to sell off these days it will be a much harder road.
If Labor policy could actually work in the real world, and in your own household, most households would do it. Problem is those that do end up in debt and a bank selling them up.
Is there not a simple lesson here?
Its been said before, Socialism is a wonderful thing, until you run out of other peoples money!
Problem is as much as I hate selling off airports and the like to fix the debts Labor creates, with less things to sell off these days it will be a much harder road.
If Labor policy could actually work in the real world, and in your own household, most households would do it. Problem is those that do end up in debt and a bank selling them up.
Is there not a simple lesson here?
Its been said before, Socialism is a wonderful thing, until you run out of other peoples money!
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LHLisa,
LHLisa, has someone hacked your account? Your seniority post seemed well thought out and this post just seems to be written to discredit you.
Whilst this Government has been good at protecting the rights of the indefensible (Craig Thomson et al) it has been very poor at protecting the rights of those who deserve and need defending. FWA and it's associated act have done nothing to defend the rights at work of ordinary Australians that could not have been done under the previous acts and the Qantas debacle shows that the current situation is very bad for those of us earning a living in aviation. The Labor party does not have a good track record when it comes to aviation disputes and I will not support them when they perform badly just because they say they are the workers friend.
By their deeds you shall know them.
LHLisa, has someone hacked your account? Your seniority post seemed well thought out and this post just seems to be written to discredit you.
Whilst this Government has been good at protecting the rights of the indefensible (Craig Thomson et al) it has been very poor at protecting the rights of those who deserve and need defending. FWA and it's associated act have done nothing to defend the rights at work of ordinary Australians that could not have been done under the previous acts and the Qantas debacle shows that the current situation is very bad for those of us earning a living in aviation. The Labor party does not have a good track record when it comes to aviation disputes and I will not support them when they perform badly just because they say they are the workers friend.
By their deeds you shall know them.
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juliar is not the only problem it is the whole incompetent party.How many of them has ever owned a business? They are simply a mob of union hugging carreerists who only care about their own advancement who care nought about the money they are wasting.After starting out as a mechanic and then spending 30yrs up the sharp end in aviation we were able to move into business and recently learnt just how dangerous fair work can be for an employer.It basically provides the employee with legal services and no risk to them we had one do a few weeks work when it all started looking strange and we found out too late that they had just had 2 years off with the old sore back then a settlement from a previous employer.Although the insurance company said it was rubbish they paid out $30,000 for a few weeks marginal work because it was cheaper than fighting fair work in the courts.When you look at the industrial trouble spreading across the country from QLD coalfields to NW WA after fair work was introduced it becomes clear to me that work choices was actually much more productive and thats what is why fair work will eventually come back to bite the very people it was intended to help.Now when we have built a business and we can finally put substantial money into our super that too has been reduced to ridiculously small amounts.I live in hope that I am one of a silent majority waiting in the wings with a baseball bat for the next election.
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and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
). If the Libs do that, they will demonstrate very short memories and an outstanding lack of common senese. For that they will probably get voted back to the stone age at the following election, just as they did last time they tried this little caper.
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D&G Ppruners, on the whole, are an intelligent bunch...who I doubt would spend much time listening to the likes of Alan Jones.
But, is there a chance that maybe, just maybe, some have their political views influenced by the openly right-wing biassed Murdoch Press?
Just a thought.
But, is there a chance that maybe, just maybe, some have their political views influenced by the openly right-wing biassed Murdoch Press?
Just a thought.
What we REALLY need is to get rid of Malcolm Turnbull, out of the party that is, replace Tony with Joe Hockey, and knuckle down to about a 5 year rebuilding process.
And if you're going to base your dislike of a politician on the fact that they have lied then you are both a hypocrite (the never ever GST?) and a fool. Pollies lie.
Nunc est bibendum
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Sounds like it to me!
That, plus the fact that everyone conveniently forgets the GFC actually happened which necessitated the government going into debt to keeo the place humming along...
That, plus the fact that everyone conveniently forgets the GFC actually happened which necessitated the government going into debt to keeo the place humming along...
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And if you're going to base your dislike of a politician on the fact that they have lied then you are both a hypocrite (the never ever GST?) and a fool. Pollies lie.
That people who listen to people like Alan Jones and Ray Hadley are somehow less worthy than those that listen to Jon Faine, David Marr, et al.
Im not even joking here but i think Bob Katters Australia Party would be good for the country. Doesnt support the Carbon Tax and supports Unions win win i think.
And Bob Katter has actually had some "Life Experience". He aint a Gillard or an Abbott who has grown up with rich parents who, gone to private school with all the rich kids then gone to uni and then into politics. At least Katter has worked alongside everyday Australians and kind of realises how the average Australian lives.
I have to admit Bob Katter is a bit of a douche but i think his party would be a lot better than Labour and the Liberals.
And Bob Katter has actually had some "Life Experience". He aint a Gillard or an Abbott who has grown up with rich parents who, gone to private school with all the rich kids then gone to uni and then into politics. At least Katter has worked alongside everyday Australians and kind of realises how the average Australian lives.
I have to admit Bob Katter is a bit of a douche but i think his party would be a lot better than Labour and the Liberals.
There have been numerous studies over the years into the mentality of Rightwingers, identifying their salient characteristics, such as egotism, relative lack of empathy and compassion, paranoia, the drive to control others and their indifference to the fate of others, ready recourse to violence to get their way and their insatiable greed. The psychology, in short, of the psychopath.
Of course these characteristics follow a continuum, with the more florid specimens at the end of outright fascism and brutal authoritarianism, right back down to those with many fine features who identify as 'Rightwing' out of allegiance to family or some other group in which they were socialised. It is, however, indisputable that they Right dominates the planet, has done so throughout recorded history, and they are becoming more extreme by the day.
As each new Rightwing regime here, or in the UK, or the other Anglosphere countries and throughout the EU, reveals itself (after lying assiduously in order to get elected) to be fanatically Rightwing, launching ever more vicious attacks on working people, privatising everything that can be privatised, deliberately increasing inequality and poverty, driving down wages and stripping away conditions, one target gets special attention. And that is environmentalism, the Right's pet hate for decades. Environmental legislation is being wound back decades, with advances made by Communist 'water-melons' like Richard Nixon and Rupert Hamer gutted, and the science of anthropogenic climate destabilisation, in particular, treated with utter animosity.
The reason why is plain. The neoplastic system of capitalism, created by the Right over centuries, and which promotes their type to the detriment of the rest of humanity, is antithetical to the idea of environmental stability and sustainability. Capitalism must grow, like a cancer, or die. In the process it will, like the cancer, kill its host, humanity. So as long as the Right and their operating system, capitalism, prevail, human destruction is certain. Unless we remove the Rightwing authoritarian personality type from its position of absolute global dominance, and replace capitalism with a system that ensures human survival, we will disappear in a cataclysm of rapid climate destabilisation, and the consequent famines, epidemics and wars, certain to end up nuclear. It's really a simple choice-Them or Us, the Right or humanity.
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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7..
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do..
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible...
WHY and how can you trust running a country to people who have never worked a day in their lives? Not one in the "Wicked Witch from Werribee"'s team has ever run their own business or worked in private enterprise... they have all been living off our taxes either through rising through the ranks of local/regional councils, the unions or state politics. This current mob simply do not know about money or it's creation! If they want more they tax more... that is their answer.
As opposed to a Rhodes Scholar very connected and involved at grass roots level in multiple communities (Triathlons & road cycling/SLSA...), backed by a multitude of successful business minded colleagues...
Sad to see Australia flailing at the helm in it most successful years!
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7..
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do..
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible...
WHY and how can you trust running a country to people who have never worked a day in their lives? Not one in the "Wicked Witch from Werribee"'s team has ever run their own business or worked in private enterprise... they have all been living off our taxes either through rising through the ranks of local/regional councils, the unions or state politics. This current mob simply do not know about money or it's creation! If they want more they tax more... that is their answer.
As opposed to a Rhodes Scholar very connected and involved at grass roots level in multiple communities (Triathlons & road cycling/SLSA...), backed by a multitude of successful business minded colleagues...
Sad to see Australia flailing at the helm in it most successful years!