Rex Now on the looking for expats
I'm assuming you're referring to my post #31 sheppey. The sanction of the union refers to the enabling authority clause in the current industrial agreement. Opportuniy to qualify for command is based on seniority. If DEC's were sought by the company, and they were given preference over existing F/O's with the min qualifications, then union approval would have to be sanctioned to change the agreement.
Compulsory unionism has been all but eliminated in Australia. Much to the cheers of management. Ironically those same management groups heavy handed and uncompromising attitudes are what are driving people back to the security of a united workforce!
Nowhere near as smart as they think they are!
Compulsory unionism has been all but eliminated in Australia. Much to the cheers of management. Ironically those same management groups heavy handed and uncompromising attitudes are what are driving people back to the security of a united workforce!
Nowhere near as smart as they think they are!
How many Captains does REX need?
The obvious answer is probably stacks! But is it that simple?
The incoming expat Americans may, or may not, be aware that REX are currently training 15-20 local Aussie pilots who already hold the minimum qualifications for command on the SAAB! These pilots were employed around 6 months ago when it became clear to management (the rest of us had known this for years), that the policy of only employing low or zero time pilots had failed in securing REX's future crewing requirements.
OK. So how many Captains do they need? 10, 20, 30? I ask because REX will need to promote each and every one of their upgradeable F/O's, ie: the 15-20 locals plus the small amount of existing qualified line F/O's, let's say 5 maybe 10, or so up to 30 in total, before the dozen or so American pilots. The reason for this is simple. REX have not approached the union for permission to employ DEC's. Therefore the only way they can offer a Command to anyone, once their seniority number comes up, provided of course they possess the mins for command. See where I'm going with this.
REX may very well intend to offer promotion to all suitable candidates, and in order of seniority, as they are obliged to. They've done irrational things before. The problem is, it takes quite some time to train a REX pilot. Only one simulator. Senior Check and Training Captains leaving for greener pastures. Potential training captains failing upgrades. Dozens of new hires sitting around on training reserve waiting for a slot.
The REX EBA calls for a training salary to be paid to new hires. Somewhere around a little over $30K P/A. Once checked to line or after a period of 3 months, whatever occurs first, the new hire F/O's are then paid the first year salary after that. So if a new guy is sitting around for 6 months on training reserve, earning pay for doing nothing, then cool. For the "DEC's" the question is, how long before you're Checked to line, and what will they be paying you in the meantime.
Needless to say REX can pay you whatever salary above the norm they choose, but be careful of any fine print.
The incoming expat Americans may, or may not, be aware that REX are currently training 15-20 local Aussie pilots who already hold the minimum qualifications for command on the SAAB! These pilots were employed around 6 months ago when it became clear to management (the rest of us had known this for years), that the policy of only employing low or zero time pilots had failed in securing REX's future crewing requirements.
OK. So how many Captains do they need? 10, 20, 30? I ask because REX will need to promote each and every one of their upgradeable F/O's, ie: the 15-20 locals plus the small amount of existing qualified line F/O's, let's say 5 maybe 10, or so up to 30 in total, before the dozen or so American pilots. The reason for this is simple. REX have not approached the union for permission to employ DEC's. Therefore the only way they can offer a Command to anyone, once their seniority number comes up, provided of course they possess the mins for command. See where I'm going with this.
REX may very well intend to offer promotion to all suitable candidates, and in order of seniority, as they are obliged to. They've done irrational things before. The problem is, it takes quite some time to train a REX pilot. Only one simulator. Senior Check and Training Captains leaving for greener pastures. Potential training captains failing upgrades. Dozens of new hires sitting around on training reserve waiting for a slot.
The REX EBA calls for a training salary to be paid to new hires. Somewhere around a little over $30K P/A. Once checked to line or after a period of 3 months, whatever occurs first, the new hire F/O's are then paid the first year salary after that. So if a new guy is sitting around for 6 months on training reserve, earning pay for doing nothing, then cool. For the "DEC's" the question is, how long before you're Checked to line, and what will they be paying you in the meantime.
Needless to say REX can pay you whatever salary above the norm they choose, but be careful of any fine print.
Last edited by KRUSTY 34; 10th May 2012 at 08:33.
Krusty34.
Somehow I don't think the eba will stop them employing who they want.
What can you really do if they go down this route? I men in all honesty it will piss upgradeable fo's off, but I don't think anyone will have the balls to walk out if they do.
Somehow I don't think the eba will stop them employing who they want.
What can you really do if they go down this route? I men in all honesty it will piss upgradeable fo's off, but I don't think anyone will have the balls to walk out if they do.
Last edited by havick; 12th May 2012 at 10:37.
havick,
I've always said that REX can employ whomever they want. After all it's their airline.
What they can't do is violate a legally binding industrial agreement, and if employing DEC's disadvantages existing REX pilots, then they will be doing just that!
If employing American expats, DEC's or otherwise does not prevent existing qualified F/O's from a command then there's no problem.
Otherwise, there's no neesd for "balls", just a lodgement of dispute in FWA.
I've always said that REX can employ whomever they want. After all it's their airline.
What they can't do is violate a legally binding industrial agreement, and if employing DEC's disadvantages existing REX pilots, then they will be doing just that!
If employing American expats, DEC's or otherwise does not prevent existing qualified F/O's from a command then there's no problem.
Otherwise, there's no neesd for "balls", just a lodgement of dispute in FWA.
Krusty, At this stage is there really many upgradable F/O at REX???
You seem like a decent guy I fully understand you have chosen lifestyle over the big shiny Jet, I have done the same. But even you would have to be thinking of getting out of the circus called REX sometime soon
You seem like a decent guy I fully understand you have chosen lifestyle over the big shiny Jet, I have done the same. But even you would have to be thinking of getting out of the circus called REX sometime soon
The way the profession is going these days SHVC, it's possible you could be just swapping one circus for another!
As long as it's our circus however, I think it's worthwhile fighting against being done over.
Also, if you count the recently recruited, and currently under training, Direct Entry F/O's, there could be as many as 20-25 upgradable F/O's at REX?
As long as it's our circus however, I think it's worthwhile fighting against being done over.
Also, if you count the recently recruited, and currently under training, Direct Entry F/O's, there could be as many as 20-25 upgradable F/O's at REX?
Last edited by KRUSTY 34; 12th May 2012 at 13:49.
