Qantas faces more competition through China
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Qantas faces more competition from it's management
Surely, surely this has got to be the nail??
From theaustralian.com
China Southern set to take on Qantas
Damon Kitney
January 20, 2012 12:00AM
QANTAS faces more competition on its flagship kangaroo route between Australia and Europe after China Southern, the sixth-biggest airline in the world, this week announced plans to fly between its Guangzhou hub and London's Heathrow Airport.
Labelling the new sector "the Canton route", China Southern executive vice-president He Zongkai said he hoped the new London service and additional frequent capacity to Amsterdam and Paris from Guangzhou would provide a compelling alternative for Australian travellers to Europe.
Time to do something AJ and co, like yesterday, perhaps!?
From theaustralian.com
China Southern set to take on Qantas
Damon Kitney
January 20, 2012 12:00AM
QANTAS faces more competition on its flagship kangaroo route between Australia and Europe after China Southern, the sixth-biggest airline in the world, this week announced plans to fly between its Guangzhou hub and London's Heathrow Airport.
Labelling the new sector "the Canton route", China Southern executive vice-president He Zongkai said he hoped the new London service and additional frequent capacity to Amsterdam and Paris from Guangzhou would provide a compelling alternative for Australian travellers to Europe.
Time to do something AJ and co, like yesterday, perhaps!?
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Today's SMH:
China Southern alone has increased flights between Australia and China from 10 a week two years ago to 35, and has vowed to triple them to more than 110 within the next four years.
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China is a huge potential market and what is QF doing about it?
A quote I read the other day was more in terms of self defence but relates just as well to aviation.
"Retaliate before your opponent strikes"
In other words strike first and be pro active instead of always chasing your tail by being reactive.
A quote I read the other day was more in terms of self defence but relates just as well to aviation.
"Retaliate before your opponent strikes"
In other words strike first and be pro active instead of always chasing your tail by being reactive.
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Winding up our fleet, cutting services out of our overseas hubs, relying on 2 aircraft types for our flagship carrier, relying on a no-frills carrier, selling out on our proud Aussie reputation for safety, etc etc etc....
Should see us sitting pretty when global growth resumes.
Should see us sitting pretty when global growth resumes.
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China Southern can be very price competitive, a recent search for SIN-LAX return had them as the cheapest by a large amount. Obviously they've looked at CX in HKG and decided to have a piece of the pie.
With Chinese mainland costs being well below Hong Kongs, the Guangzhou region having a per capita income close to western levels and a modern airport not subject to the congestion and delays of Beijing/Shanghai, they could be in with a chance.
FEDEX are already using CAN as their Asian hub, Hong Kong and Shenzhen are next door.
Obviously the have plans for the A380s, China's answer to Emirates/Singapore Airlines if they can improve the customer service a bit ?
With Chinese mainland costs being well below Hong Kongs, the Guangzhou region having a per capita income close to western levels and a modern airport not subject to the congestion and delays of Beijing/Shanghai, they could be in with a chance.
FEDEX are already using CAN as their Asian hub, Hong Kong and Shenzhen are next door.
Obviously the have plans for the A380s, China's answer to Emirates/Singapore Airlines if they can improve the customer service a bit ?
Yep management don't want any more rollers going bang bang.
Rather than lose face by waiting in queue for an engine shop to fix them (as they shut down their own capability) they decided to boot the entire frames instead.
Qantas management 101
Rather than lose face by waiting in queue for an engine shop to fix them (as they shut down their own capability) they decided to boot the entire frames instead.
Qantas management 101
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Hench the problem VA . Both QF and VA are facing ever increaseing international competion from carriers with lower costs and now Air Asia X to SYD. As one pointed out, who from a technical view would want to fly with these guys-but unfortunately the public mostly just look at price. This is why VA is only doing Domestic with the 330 and little or no expansion for the 777. Unlike the car industry we are not a political Labour flavour.
What's the answer, Options are- Stay out of this area
, Do A Jet Star 
, buy Airport shares 
.
What's the answer, Options are- Stay out of this area
, Do A Jet Star , buy Airport shares .
As one pointed out, who from a technical view would want to fly with these guys
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Rather than lose face by waiting in queue for an engine shop to fix them (as they shut down their own capability) they decided to boot the entire frames instead.
I hope you're referring to Qantas when you make this staement. Let's face it, with their recent track record I'm sure you've got more chance of getting safely to your destination on time with China Southern than you have with Qantas.
Yes, but it is China Southern. Has anyone actually flown with them?
I've had the misfortune to do so twice, the last time admittedly 5 yeas ago (my employer made me do this).
On both occasions a B744:
1. Entire cabin dirty and stank of urine.
2. Toilets indescribable.
3. Cabin service - I thought they'd finally mastered the art of inserting Rottweilers into an FA uniform. The only English word spoken: "NO!".
4. I didn't touch the food; it looked OK actually.
5. Life jacket RIVETTED in their containers (probably because the locals kept stealing them) - so what happens should you need one?
Never again!
I've had the misfortune to do so twice, the last time admittedly 5 yeas ago (my employer made me do this).
On both occasions a B744:
1. Entire cabin dirty and stank of urine.
2. Toilets indescribable.
3. Cabin service - I thought they'd finally mastered the art of inserting Rottweilers into an FA uniform. The only English word spoken: "NO!".
4. I didn't touch the food; it looked OK actually.
5. Life jacket RIVETTED in their containers (probably because the locals kept stealing them) - so what happens should you need one?
Never again!
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'.....whilst not having had the "pleasure" of flying with China Southern. I have flown with 2 other airlines as part of the CAAC group.
Air China are the standout for improvement (could be somehow related to their tie up with CX). I had 3 flights with them last year to Beijing (because QF reckon Shanghai is THE ONLY chinese port to have the red tail in
) But, CA were great. Te A330-200 kit is clean, comfortable and reliable. Service is friendly and efficient and the airport is superb !
To me, CA is the bigger threat because the Beijing hub and feeder destinations are wider than EK.....
TO....AJ AND THE "OCCUPIERS" of QCA/9........your days are numbered.
Hell, even airlines like China Southern are comIng up with (wait for it )
A FORWARD STRATEGY, that is = GROWTH.
the QF "strategy" is one ...hell bent on wingeing, slashing, mumbling,dithering and prematurely letting their load off without any fore-"thought".
Quick......pass the NASAL DELIVERY SPRAY.
Air China are the standout for improvement (could be somehow related to their tie up with CX). I had 3 flights with them last year to Beijing (because QF reckon Shanghai is THE ONLY chinese port to have the red tail in
) But, CA were great. Te A330-200 kit is clean, comfortable and reliable. Service is friendly and efficient and the airport is superb !To me, CA is the bigger threat because the Beijing hub and feeder destinations are wider than EK
.....TO....AJ AND THE "OCCUPIERS" of QCA/9........your days are numbered.
Hell, even airlines like China Southern are comIng up with (wait for it )
A FORWARD STRATEGY, that is = GROWTH.
the QF "strategy" is one ...hell bent on wingeing, slashing, mumbling,dithering and prematurely letting their load off without any fore-"thought".
Quick......pass the NASAL DELIVERY SPRAY.
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It's what's up front that counts.
We all know the authority gradient in asian carriers.
Some of these cadets should be flippin' burgers, not switches. I've seen some pretty ordinary siht from some cadets (most are pretty switched on though).
One day, all the holes will align, imho.
Good luck to them all as the management there is increasing capacity with lower fares. That's increase, not decrease! (Didn't someone from qantas say it was too hard?)
Let's see what the cronies do?
Some of these cadets should be flippin' burgers, not switches. I've seen some pretty ordinary siht from some cadets (most are pretty switched on though).
One day, all the holes will align, imho.
Good luck to them all as the management there is increasing capacity with lower fares. That's increase, not decrease! (Didn't someone from qantas say it was too hard?)
Let's see what the cronies do?
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Have flown with them a few times of late. All on airbus fleet, and found them very clean, tidy and the service was great!!! Maybe a few so called premium carriers (qf,vb etc) could take a few lessons from these guys....
They come out reasonably well in the SKYTRAX reviews.
China Southern Airlines official 4-Star Ranking | SKYTRAX
Could be worth a look if the fares are cheap enough with decent connections. Flight times should be the same as via Hong Kong.
I hear they have recruited Australian pilots for a Sydney base.
China Southern Airlines official 4-Star Ranking | SKYTRAX
Could be worth a look if the fares are cheap enough with decent connections. Flight times should be the same as via Hong Kong.
I hear they have recruited Australian pilots for a Sydney base.
They come out reasonably well in the SKYTRAX reviews.
China Southern Airlines Customer Reviews | SKYTRAX
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I can't believe many Europeans fly Qantas to get to China. That seems too far out of the way. I am thinking the European legacies and the Chinese airlines tap most of that Europe-China traffic - no?
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I wonder if Lord Farquhar and his band of bloated merry Board gimps have a contingency plan or have done a business based risk assessment on the following possible scenarion?
If not, it seems now may be a good time to do so, you just never know, to be sure:
And after all, he does seem to be wanting to put all his 'chicken eggs' in the one basket, China, Vietnam........
Tick tock.
If not, it seems now may be a good time to do so, you just never know, to be sure:
Bird flu claims second victim in China
AFPUpdated January 23, 2012, 12:59 am
BEIJING (AFP) - A man in southwest China who contracted the bird flu virus died on Sunday, health authorities said, the second human death from the virulent disease in the country in just under a month.
The news comes after neighbouring Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia also reported deaths from avian influenza, and after chickens tested positive for the H5N1 virus in Hong Kong, prompting a mass cull of birds.
The latest Chinese victim fell ill on January 6 and was admitted to hospital in Guiyang -- capital of Guizhou province -- where his condition rapidly deteriorated, the provincial health department said in a statement.
Tests on the patient before he died confirmed he had contracted the H5N1 virus, it added.
"So far, 71 people who had close contact with the victim have not developed abnormal symptoms," the health department said.
He is the second man to die from bird flu in China in less than a month, after a bus driver in the southern province of Guangdong passed away from the disease on December 31.
The latest death brings to 28 the number of people in China who have died from the disease -- which is fatal in humans in about 60 percent of cases -- since 2003, out of 42 reported human cases.
The Hong Kong Department of Health said in a statement Sunday it had been notified of the case by the mainland's health authorities, which said the patient was 39 years old.
Authorities from Hong Kong and the mainland have been working closely together since three chickens in the Chinese territory tested positive for the H5N1 virus in mid December.
Most human infections are the result of direct contact with infected birds, and the virus does not pass easily among humans.
The World Health Organization (WHO) says it has never identified a "sustained human-to-human spread" of the virus since it re-emerged in 2003.
But according to the Hong Kong health department, the Guizhou province victim, who has not been named, had not reported any obvious exposure to poultry before the onset of symptoms.
The Guangdong victim, whose surname was Chen, had not had any direct contact with poultry either in the month before he was taken ill, nor had he left the bustling southern metropolis of Shenzhen where he lived.
Aside from China, Vietnam on Thursday reported its first human death from the virus in nearly two years, and the disease also claimed the life of a toddler in Cambodia.
Indonesia, meanwhile, on Friday reported its second human death from bird flu this year when a five-year-old girl who recently lost her relative to the deadly virus also passed away.
China is considered one of the nations most at risk of bird flu epidemics because it has the world's biggest poultry population and many chickens in rural areas are kept close to humans.
But the Guizhou health department sought to ease concerns on Sunday, saying bird flu was "preventable, controllable and treatable."
All in all, the avian influenza virus has killed more than 330 people around the world, and scientists fear it could mutate into a form readily transmissible between humans, with the potential to cause millions of deaths.
Highlighting those fears, the WHO said last month it was "deeply concerned" about research into whether H5N1 could be made more transmissible between humans after mutant strains were produced in labs.
Two separate research teams -- one in the Netherlands and the other in the United States -- separately found ways to alter the virus so it could pass easily between mammals.
AFPUpdated January 23, 2012, 12:59 am
BEIJING (AFP) - A man in southwest China who contracted the bird flu virus died on Sunday, health authorities said, the second human death from the virulent disease in the country in just under a month.
The news comes after neighbouring Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia also reported deaths from avian influenza, and after chickens tested positive for the H5N1 virus in Hong Kong, prompting a mass cull of birds.
The latest Chinese victim fell ill on January 6 and was admitted to hospital in Guiyang -- capital of Guizhou province -- where his condition rapidly deteriorated, the provincial health department said in a statement.
Tests on the patient before he died confirmed he had contracted the H5N1 virus, it added.
"So far, 71 people who had close contact with the victim have not developed abnormal symptoms," the health department said.
He is the second man to die from bird flu in China in less than a month, after a bus driver in the southern province of Guangdong passed away from the disease on December 31.
The latest death brings to 28 the number of people in China who have died from the disease -- which is fatal in humans in about 60 percent of cases -- since 2003, out of 42 reported human cases.
The Hong Kong Department of Health said in a statement Sunday it had been notified of the case by the mainland's health authorities, which said the patient was 39 years old.
Authorities from Hong Kong and the mainland have been working closely together since three chickens in the Chinese territory tested positive for the H5N1 virus in mid December.
Most human infections are the result of direct contact with infected birds, and the virus does not pass easily among humans.
The World Health Organization (WHO) says it has never identified a "sustained human-to-human spread" of the virus since it re-emerged in 2003.
But according to the Hong Kong health department, the Guizhou province victim, who has not been named, had not reported any obvious exposure to poultry before the onset of symptoms.
The Guangdong victim, whose surname was Chen, had not had any direct contact with poultry either in the month before he was taken ill, nor had he left the bustling southern metropolis of Shenzhen where he lived.
Aside from China, Vietnam on Thursday reported its first human death from the virus in nearly two years, and the disease also claimed the life of a toddler in Cambodia.
Indonesia, meanwhile, on Friday reported its second human death from bird flu this year when a five-year-old girl who recently lost her relative to the deadly virus also passed away.
China is considered one of the nations most at risk of bird flu epidemics because it has the world's biggest poultry population and many chickens in rural areas are kept close to humans.
But the Guizhou health department sought to ease concerns on Sunday, saying bird flu was "preventable, controllable and treatable."
All in all, the avian influenza virus has killed more than 330 people around the world, and scientists fear it could mutate into a form readily transmissible between humans, with the potential to cause millions of deaths.
Highlighting those fears, the WHO said last month it was "deeply concerned" about research into whether H5N1 could be made more transmissible between humans after mutant strains were produced in labs.
Two separate research teams -- one in the Netherlands and the other in the United States -- separately found ways to alter the virus so it could pass easily between mammals.
Tick tock.