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ABC News:
Overloaded plane posed no risk: Qantas
Posted March 23, 2011 11:20:00
Qantas says there was never any risk to passengers during a flight where an Airbus was overloaded by almost a tonne.
The air safety watchdog says the incident was not reported properly by staff and the airline also failed to carry out proper safety checks after the incident.
The Qantas flight left Sydney for Hong Kong in March 2009.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has issued a report saying the plane's load controller gave the wrong information about the amount of freight the plane was carrying. The incorrect data led to the plane taking off almost one tonne overweight.
The report says the off-loading team in Hong Kong noticed the overload but did not file a report, which meant the plane made another 10 flights before it was checked for faults.
The safety bureau says when it checked with Qantas, it discovered the airline had not conducted quality reviews at the Sydney freight centre for 22 months before the Hong Kong incident.
Qantas says while there was never any risk to passenger safety, it has since made changes to freight checks and incident reporting.
Overloaded plane posed no risk: Qantas
Posted March 23, 2011 11:20:00
Qantas says there was never any risk to passengers during a flight where an Airbus was overloaded by almost a tonne.
The air safety watchdog says the incident was not reported properly by staff and the airline also failed to carry out proper safety checks after the incident.
The Qantas flight left Sydney for Hong Kong in March 2009.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has issued a report saying the plane's load controller gave the wrong information about the amount of freight the plane was carrying. The incorrect data led to the plane taking off almost one tonne overweight.
The report says the off-loading team in Hong Kong noticed the overload but did not file a report, which meant the plane made another 10 flights before it was checked for faults.
The safety bureau says when it checked with Qantas, it discovered the airline had not conducted quality reviews at the Sydney freight centre for 22 months before the Hong Kong incident.
Qantas says while there was never any risk to passenger safety, it has since made changes to freight checks and incident reporting.
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I would argue that a lot of aircraft take off at least 1 tonne over weight, judging by the amount of hand luggage that goes on aircraft these days. Assuming each passenger has 3kg over the allowance (very conservative) 350 x 3kg = 1050 kg
This is without the additional 'baggage' each standard passenger is carrying around their waist.
This is without the additional 'baggage' each standard passenger is carrying around their waist.
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Horay for the first airline to sell tickets based on the pax's total weight being lifted! 
if any have the balls to do it.
nothing annoyes me more then paying extra for 5 kg over my baggage allowance, when i weight 70kg, only to see the guy in front of me, weighing well over 100Kg, pay the same...
if any have the balls to do it.nothing annoyes me more then paying extra for 5 kg over my baggage allowance, when i weight 70kg, only to see the guy in front of me, weighing well over 100Kg, pay the same...
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Not a bad idea, why not allocate a total uplift say 110kg, to include passenger, baggage allowance and hand luggage, if you are above that then you pay excess.
I can hear the fluffists screaming already...
PS: Buster would probably be paying a bit of excess!
I can hear the fluffists screaming already...
PS: Buster would probably be paying a bit of excess!
I noticed over the years that you always made fuel on the Japanese runs and lost fuel on the European ones, especially Germany. When you look at the pax in the gate lounge there is your answer. Hedi is three times the weight of Yuki.
I had the King of Tonga once, standard weights are a joke.
PS I rather fancy the Hedi types.
I had the King of Tonga once, standard weights are a joke.
PS I rather fancy the Hedi types.
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OverWeight + casa
Remember:
[Overweight in a GA plane + (casa foi or awi)] = Loss of AOC
QF = ??? Nothing
What if this was the "PussyCat"
[Overweight in a GA plane + (casa foi or awi)] = Loss of AOC
QF = ??? Nothing
What if this was the "PussyCat"
I don't think the point is it was 'only' one tonne over.
The 'system' allowed the aircraft to be overloaded and thus the performance figures wrong for takeoff.
It could have been 1 kg or 5 tonne over, NOBODY had control over the amount of the mistake.
It was just fortunate the amount was not enough to make a difference on this day.
Then there is the point of reporting of the issue.
The 'system' allowed the aircraft to be overloaded and thus the performance figures wrong for takeoff.
It could have been 1 kg or 5 tonne over, NOBODY had control over the amount of the mistake.
It was just fortunate the amount was not enough to make a difference on this day.
Then there is the point of reporting of the issue.
The New Zealand rules are quite detailed in how you must establish a standard weight and the requirements to re-survey every 5 years. The advisory circular AC119.4 covers an approved means of compliance, however operators can apply to NZCAA for a different means if they can prove statistical relevance.
Advisory Circulars
The last one I was involved with was ten thousand total passengers and crew (including all carry on baggage) surveyed and split so to capture different population demographics per destination. The result is differing standard weights dependant on destination or area of operation.
Advisory Circulars
The last one I was involved with was ten thousand total passengers and crew (including all carry on baggage) surveyed and split so to capture different population demographics per destination. The result is differing standard weights dependant on destination or area of operation.
Up-in-the-air your call for heads seems a little unreasonable, it was an error. Loadsheet errors happen every now and then. I know nothing about the 330 but it seems to lack capability at times. Last year on a sub-load ticket I was bumped off the flight due to MTOW 'problems' and it left with six empty seats. On a sector length of only 7 hours I found that suprising. The Airbus crowd keep telling me how wonderful it all is and it burns so little, so modern, so advanced etc etc. Not that wonderful if you leave pax behind with empty seats.
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I have missed getting on a flight twice in 2 days CHC-SYD [3hrs?]due seats but no weight allowed for staff pax.
That was a BOEING 767.
Aircraft type has nothing to do with it George.
That was a BOEING 767.
Aircraft type has nothing to do with it George.
Why don't airports have weighbridges so actual weight can be recorded for final load sheets?
Trucks and front end loaders come with in built weight gauges for that purpose. These pieces of machinery cost say $250,000. An aircraft costing $200million plus has no on board measuring.
It is a strange world we live in.
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Why don't actual weights get used?