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Old 5th Dec 2011, 23:42
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Keg, I wouldn't worry about it. By 2019 longhaul and mainline will be nothing but a bad memory for management anyway.
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 12:01
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Kerrie Mather must be smoking the same drugs as West Australia Airport corporation, she like Perth expects a doubling of passenger traffic from current figures in about 15 years with no plans of building runways/changing ATC or the curfew. Given that SYD is under the pump now how do they expect to DOUBLE the number of passengers? Very few airlines have A380's and you can't run them domestically. To even come out and say something like that without any planned infrastructure or rule changes is ridiculous.

I am beginning to wonder if the companies who are running these airports actually have ANY idea about what they are doing. There seems to be this standard line from all airport owners around the country of increasing airport passenger numbers going forward with ZERO runway infrastructure spending.

Someone needs to tell them that the emperor has no clothes as what these people are proposing is impossible. SYD/BNE/PER airports are at capacity now and these people are coming out unchallenged that their airports are going to double the passenger traffic and noone asks how they are going to do it. Sydney can build the world's biggest terminal but without either changing the curfew/the cap/ ATC rules there won't be much passenger growth. Just bigger holding patterns and longer delays.
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 12:59
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SYD/BNE/PER airports are at capacity now
Not quite true. They are at capacity for a few hours a day, then there are many hours where they are not. Special events such a nasty wx increase the impact of lack of infrastructure and artificial items such as movement caps, but they are in the big picture rare enough.

But in the modern world with carbon taxes, you have to wonder about which is more important noise sharing or being green?

"It's all about the runways stupid" is as true as it ever was.

I think this is just an attempt to undermine the decision on a new airport in SY. It's politically unacceptable for all the NIMBY reasons, it's possibly unaffordable and whilst there is still 'spare' capacity there will be no real will for anything else. Gatwick has a single runway and moves just about as many people as Sydney. Reasons for this is the 'peaks' last much longer than Sydney and generally on average each movement is a larger type.

Perth and Brisbane will never reach the efficiency/through put of Gatwick due to the nature of the beasts. But essentially runways and improved ground infrastructure would make massive differences, but who's going to pay for it and is there economic value in making the investment.

The way to get these 'monopolies' to do something is to build a competitor, but who's going to pay for that and where do you build them?

The 4 major London airports compete for routes offering great "deals" to airlines but this is not true in any Australian context (excluding the Avalon adventure). It would be much smarter to require the current owners to do X Y and Z via regulation and direct input into the master plans by a government agency. If the owners don't want to do it, then they need to get out of the business.

Unfortunately major infrastructure such as roads, rail, ports and airports should be built and owned by the government for the good of all not the profitability of a few. The few pieces of eight that were received for these national assets were no where near a fair deal for the punters. Look at some of the regional reallocations from the FAC to regional councils/operators there was absolutely nothing in it for the public. But I suspect all this waffle is simply preaching to the choir.
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 21:54
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What's the bet this is nothing more than another money making scheme cooked up by the smartest guys in the room.
$350 million for Qantas to break leases in the short term, creates/releases capital. MAp makes it back in higher leases in the long term.
Get's rid of the last vestige of Qantas' maintence abilities. We "'intend'" to build new hangers , yeh right, that's why senior management have been doing the rounds overseas signing contracts.
Another excuse to off-shore everything they can in case Xenophon's Bill gets up. Too late it's all gone and will be too expensive to bring back.

THE SPIRIT OF AUSTRALIA my arse!
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Old 6th Dec 2011, 22:27
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But essentially runways and improved ground infrastructure would make massive differences, but who's going to pay for it and is there economic value in making the investment.
Brisbane is building a new runway. It won't be ready for a while but the prep work has started. One of the big sandpits currently off bravo taxiway is part of that prepwork. They're also expanding the domestic apron and finally adding the missing piece of bravo (not before time, either). The ITB apron has been expanded twice in the last five years and the DTB apron had several bays and a new piece of terminal added last year.

Economic value aside, there's obviously not a shred of PR value in building new infrastructure; no matter what gets built, everyone just keeps on with the same 'private airports only build shopping centres and carparks' rhetoric.
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 01:55
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1 year later and those 5 extra gates at the DTB are already to few when it comes to terminators at the end of the night. 1 extra aircraft and you struggle for a bay.

What they need to build is more parking / hangar space, not that anyone will want to pay for that.
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 02:11
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Following on from Worrals' post re BNE Airport Plans



Further info here
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 07:40
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SODROPS will be the preferred config but the plan does allow for parallel runway ops during peak periods as shown in the document here.
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 18:33
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Reduction in runway crossings
Can't see how there will be a reduction in a reduction in runway crossings.
Virgin domestics via ENTRA to depart RWY16L/34R will need to cross RWY 16R/34L. Virgin domestics via WOLLONGONG to depart RWY 34R will need to cross RWY 34L. Otherwise they will need to depart RWY 16R/34L, which in the case of RWY 34L will see an increase in traffic using that runway for departure, which will mean more departure delays and more aircraft noise.

All Qantas aircraft using RWY 34L will need to cross RWY 34L (unless TWY Bravo is extended to the RWY 34L threshold).

And another "new" Tower, the current one is only 15 years old. Seems those Canberra bureaucrats were right all those years ago...
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 19:25
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While they're inclined to spend a few dollars, how about upgrading the ILS at Sydney.
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 21:42
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Melbourne Airport spreading its wings

Melbourne Airport poised to spread its wings
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Old 7th Dec 2011, 23:49
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In regards to upgrading the ILS at SYD, I read somewhere that 34L will have a CAT II ILS. Somewhat strange as it would require approach lighting to CAT II standards.

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Old 8th Dec 2011, 00:44
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Maybe CAT III which doesn't require the app lighting (HIALS).
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 00:51
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I think its time syd joined the 20th century and had all weather landing capability. If SYD is to be "the" gateway let it be just that. Seeing the 'fogs' that close the airport at times is ridiculous. With limited movements you would want to make the most your investment. I'm not aware of any limitations in making SYD cat IIIa b or c but hope they consider doing it of possible.
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 01:51
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what is the "official" reason why sydney dosn't have a cat II or III approved runway, even the kiwis have one at NZAA?
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 04:24
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wow, pass round the hat I reckon we could raise a hundred quick smart!
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