787-900 to Jetstar?

[SHRAGS]

http://www.centreforaviation.com/analysis/qantas-and-jetstar-change-787-strategy-to-support-asian-growth-and-unit-cost-improvement-63613

What??

[Artificial Horizon]

Rumour on the street is that the 787-800 has exceedingly poor range / freight perfomance against what was promised and that it is substantially worse than the 330's that Jetstar is currently operating. So bad in fact that all the expansion plans will have to be reined in until the 787-900 is rolled out. Rumour has it that J* will be stuck with the 800's for around two years and will then swap them out for 900's as they arrive into the Qantas Group. Purely rumour, but it seems to make sense.

[neville_nobody]

Maybe this should be the new boarding music for the 787?

[Ichiban]

787-9 will be for Qantas International

Given that the 50 787's are planned to be split evenly between Qantas and Jetstar, Jetstar were originally planned to operate 25 787-9; and Qantas were originally planned to operate 15 787-8 and 10 787-9.

The fleet plan has now changed.

Jetstar will now operate 15 787-8 and 10 787-9.

Qantas will now operate 25 787-9.

[...still single]

I believe that Jetstar will operate all 50 787's.

But some of them will be painted in Qantas colours.

[toolish]

Valuair will operate on behalf of Jetstar, they are cheaper

[Going Boeing]

Posted by ...still single

I believe that Jetstar will operate all 50 787's.

But some of them will be painted in Qantas colours.

That is the current plan - although they won't be operated by Jetstar Oz crew. The SIN based crews will be able to operate the European services at lower cost than OZ crews (not only due to lower salaries & lack of superannuation/payroll tax etc, but also less accommodation & allowance costs).

It's up to the current generation of QF Group pilots to keep fighting and secure the future for the next generation.

[illusion]

"It's up to the current generation of QF Group pilots to keep fighting and secure the future for the next generation".

The sooner that AIPA F##K off and stop interfering in Jetstar industrial relations, the better. Qantas pilots do not "own" any flying. The sooner they understand that many of the working conditions they currently enjoy are unsustainable the better they will be. The smart ones can interpret the writing on the wall and are moving to Jetstar or further afield to accelerate career progression.

It has been stated that it is unlikely that mainline will operate ANY B787 aircraft.

Get over it.

[MACH082]

Illusion, I think you are under a management one.

Last time I checked, the majority of Jetstar Pilots are AIPA members. Exactly what Qantas management did not want when they started Jetstar,

It was management who forced the Pilots hand for representation. If management decided to just act morally and decently, then this situation would not have unfolded and the majority of those naughty Pilots would have been compliant.

Take a hard look in the mirror.

[Jimothy]

Illusion

It has been stated that it is unlikely that mainline will operate ANY B787 aircraft.

Where has this been officially stated?

[Helmut Smokar]

Illusion
Given what's in play at the moment, I'd be more worried about JQ being sold off if I worked there. Given one of the reasons Joyce gives for not wanting pilots to be able to freely move between JQ and QF is, wait for it....... "If we sell JQ it would make things difficult" don't think for a second it's not on the table.
If, and a big if AIPA get some sort of group career progression going it will probably save your arse when the music stops. Enjoy the ride

[Going Boeing]

It appears that "illusion" didn't read/comprehend the sentence that he quoted. The inference is that all Qantas Group pilots have to work together to secure our future but he chose to interpret it as "AIPA interfering in Jetstar industrial relations".

He also didn't get the rest of the post. Stambi has indicated that the B787 bases will be SIN & AKL - no QF Mainline or Jetstar Oz pilots will be involved in its operations.

[MACH082]

Stambi has indicated that the B787 bases will be SIN & AKL

Personally I believe someone should challenge the use of 'spirit of Australia' on the sides of such aircraft. JB?

I certainly don't believe this is in the spirit of Australia. It's 'spirit of the dollar' or 'spirit of KPIs' or 'spirit of corporate greed' or 'spirit of shareholders' (the top 4).

The slogan should be 'What a joke', but then when most Australians see that annoying little fella with his freaky little hands on the idiot box, they think it anyway. I'd be scared to shake one. It would be cold and clammy.....

[dragon man]

With a flying pig on the tail with its snout firmly in a trough!!!

[my oleo is extended]

I can't wait to see the damage that the ramp goons are going to inflict on the beautiful composite flying piece of modern technology!
$100 says that on week 1 of operation a piece of GSE punctures a fuselage or a cargo door is damaged?

[Cunning_Stunt]

Mach082, I said right after Joyce announced the company's plans in August that i reckoned within a year any aircraft that goes in for a paint will emerge with "The New Spirit" painted on its side in place of " Spirit of Australia". Job done.

[waren9]

Jetstar won't sell. Who in their right mind would buy it?

I doubt the domestic operation would barely be profitable if it suddenly had to stand on its own two feet and pay for everything it uses, let alone the franchises everywhere else.

[Bula]

As always, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Rabbitwear]

Sq will buy Jq , turn the sin base into scoot. And rebuild tiger with Jq on an even lower cost base , if you dont like it you can always leave.

[waren9]

Bula

I personally do not think Jetstar, particularly the offshore franchises, is/are as profitable as the friday flyers would have everyone believe.

If you disagree with that mate, fair enough, then we'll leave it at that.