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Forty nine years, forty nine 
years and not once did I get accosted in first class, business or even in cattle, and as for the flight deck, I was only ever in the company of ugly ol pilots and flight engineers, who had no appeal whatsoever. Must have been my aftershave when I took a walk in the cabin. (You could in my day).
years and not once did I get accosted in first class, business or even in cattle, and as for the flight deck, I was only ever in the company of ugly ol pilots and flight engineers, who had no appeal whatsoever. Must have been my aftershave when I took a walk in the cabin. (You could in my day).
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One would assume he will be dealt with the same as bonking Bruce. Surely that is the precedent with these matters.
Or are senior executives treated differently, forget that we know the answer.
Typically double chip on both shoulders NewPiper has grabbed the opportunity to put the boot in.
Or are senior executives treated differently, forget that we know the answer.
Typically double chip on both shoulders NewPiper has grabbed the opportunity to put the boot in.
also it was a 747, not an A380. :roll eyes:
I'm sure the 'Bruce Buchanan' card is still up the FO's sleeve if things get nasty.
Would sure be nice if the media would remember to mention that!!
I'm sure the 'Bruce Buchanan' card is still up the FO's sleeve if things get nasty.
Would sure be nice if the media would remember to mention that!!
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I think she took him into the lav.
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Its all just a reminder to do all your chatting and feeling up in
cattle class where it belongs, whether in or out of uniform. I
seriously doubt some full fare-paying "Ferst Closs" pax ever
engage in anything as dirty and filthy as sex or even tried it.
"Stop that young man! That's dirty and decrepit and I didn't
pay all this money to fly to London just to watch you engage
in something as foul as....kissing and cuddling and sucking
that female's neck. Yukky poo this sex nonsense - far below
my status to engage in."
cattle class where it belongs, whether in or out of uniform. I
seriously doubt some full fare-paying "Ferst Closs" pax ever
engage in anything as dirty and filthy as sex or even tried it.
"Stop that young man! That's dirty and decrepit and I didn't
pay all this money to fly to London just to watch you engage
in something as foul as....kissing and cuddling and sucking
that female's neck. Yukky poo this sex nonsense - far below
my status to engage in."
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I did read somewhere that this disaster occurred in premium economy and the 500K a year pilot ran away to the economy section?
Of course the media always gets it facts right.
Hope that the pilot and AIPA bring up the BB precedent if this goes further.
At least this guy did not f%#€ as many people over on a qf32 as RDC has recently, intentional or not.
Of course the media always gets it facts right.
Hope that the pilot and AIPA bring up the BB precedent if this goes further.
At least this guy did not f%#€ as many people over on a qf32 as RDC has recently, intentional or not.
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I would be far more worried about what the missus would do, rather than the company, Hell hath no fury etc etc etc. Providing of course it was not his missus, but if it is half his luck. For most of us, a withering look would be all we got at such a suggestion.
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Was it this one?
Qantas inquiry into first-class footsies
Ben Cubby
July 31, 2007
A SENIOR Jetstar executive has been accused of engaging in 'funny business" with a woman on a fold-down seat in the first-class cabin of a flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles on Friday.
Bruce Buchanan, the airline's commercial general manager, was on Qantas Flight 93 to the US when the incident allegedly took place. After the lights went down on the 14-hour trip, a woman apparently moved to share his seat.
Another first-class passenger complained to a flight attendant, according to people in the cabin at the time.
Sources on the flight said it was not clear what was going on but there was no suggestion the pair were having sex. "It was just funny business," one source said.
It is unclear whether cuddling constitutes a breach of strict behavioural guidelines which apply to airline employees but the incident was enough for staff on the flight to prepare a report for Qantas management.
It raises questions about the behaviour of Jetstar employees, including senior executives such as Mr Buchanan, travelling on discounted staff flights.
Staff must wear "appropriate" clothes, not jeans, and show exemplary behaviour.
Last week Qantas, the parent company of Jetstar, was forced to reinstate a cabin supervisor sacked for breaching policy by taking chocolate-covered macadamia nuts from a flight.
The cabin steward, Philip Woodward-Brown, had been stood down immediately after the offending nuts were discovered on his person during a routine security check in Tokyo last year.
When the incident took place on Friday, Mr Buchanan was travelling to Los Angeles for a holiday.
A Jetstar spokesman confirmed last night the incident was being investigated but said the airline was yet to speak to Mr Buchanan about the complaint.
"We do not believe the event was of a serious nature. A full investigation will take place but we obviously want to hear Mr Buchanan's side of the story," the spokesman said.
Qantas also confirmed that it was investigating the incident but said it did not appear to be a serious offence.
Mr Buchanan, who could not be reached for comment, is due back from his holiday next week.
Ben Cubby
July 31, 2007
A SENIOR Jetstar executive has been accused of engaging in 'funny business" with a woman on a fold-down seat in the first-class cabin of a flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles on Friday.
Bruce Buchanan, the airline's commercial general manager, was on Qantas Flight 93 to the US when the incident allegedly took place. After the lights went down on the 14-hour trip, a woman apparently moved to share his seat.
Another first-class passenger complained to a flight attendant, according to people in the cabin at the time.
Sources on the flight said it was not clear what was going on but there was no suggestion the pair were having sex. "It was just funny business," one source said.
It is unclear whether cuddling constitutes a breach of strict behavioural guidelines which apply to airline employees but the incident was enough for staff on the flight to prepare a report for Qantas management.
It raises questions about the behaviour of Jetstar employees, including senior executives such as Mr Buchanan, travelling on discounted staff flights.
Staff must wear "appropriate" clothes, not jeans, and show exemplary behaviour.
Last week Qantas, the parent company of Jetstar, was forced to reinstate a cabin supervisor sacked for breaching policy by taking chocolate-covered macadamia nuts from a flight.
The cabin steward, Philip Woodward-Brown, had been stood down immediately after the offending nuts were discovered on his person during a routine security check in Tokyo last year.
When the incident took place on Friday, Mr Buchanan was travelling to Los Angeles for a holiday.
A Jetstar spokesman confirmed last night the incident was being investigated but said the airline was yet to speak to Mr Buchanan about the complaint.
"We do not believe the event was of a serious nature. A full investigation will take place but we obviously want to hear Mr Buchanan's side of the story," the spokesman said.
Qantas also confirmed that it was investigating the incident but said it did not appear to be a serious offence.
Mr Buchanan, who could not be reached for comment, is due back from his holiday next week.
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If it was enough for the fellow crew to report it to management, then it was enough to discredit his employer. It does not matter if he/she is on duty. In this case there is no legitimate reason to discredit the employer.
You can't work for someone's profit then turn around and try to lower their profit... It is irrelevant of the seriousness of the act itself, it is the effect on the profit base. By publicly stating the dislike of the act by the rest of the crew and management they are lowering the damage. If they had a public view of supporting the behavior through inaction then it would be much more damaging.
If you want to complain about the timing of the event, look at the guy who did it...
You can't work for someone's profit then turn around and try to lower their profit... It is irrelevant of the seriousness of the act itself, it is the effect on the profit base. By publicly stating the dislike of the act by the rest of the crew and management they are lowering the damage. If they had a public view of supporting the behavior through inaction then it would be much more damaging.
If you want to complain about the timing of the event, look at the guy who did it...
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If he is guilty of anything (lucky bloke if he is), then all it should be is a slap on the wrist, and maybe a suspension of staff travel for a period of time. About a year ago there was a staff member in j cls who was supposedly pleasuring someone aurally, only she couldn't reply as her mouth was full. The outcome of this was a suspension of staff travel for a period of time.
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TG,
In all probability, from reading the article, the "female passenger" WAS his missus, or partner.
To Others,
My guess is that he was paxing home on duty having taken his missus with him on the trip. Upon checking in at LHR the only seat for her was in economy, so he gave her his first class seat and he took economy. Later in the flight when things were quiet he went to visit her. Much of what is written here is implication and "nudge" "nudge", so I'm seeing a little inventive fiction to spice things up for the article here.
I doubt there would have been the mass complaints the article says - this just sounds like a complete political beat-up to me. Passengers are well separated from each other - they are barely aware of each other. If there WERE complaints, why did the Captain not get involved? Sounds like a CC member got their nose out of joint and complained he was visiting and so he eventually went back to his economy seat. In SIN, the aircraft was probably full, so the travel partner got bumped as usual, so he continued home in his first class seat.
I'm wondering if the only questionable actions here are those of Qantas in releasing the "details" (for a political hatchet job) to a breathless Murdoch newspaper, and those of the CC member for "reporting" the "incident". It wasn't necessarily the CSM who did the report - I've had CSMs complaining to ME about the attitude of occasional crewmembers .......
But then, I'm sure the newspaper was only reporting word for word every detail that happened and I'm completely wrong in my skepticism .........
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In all probability, from reading the article, the "female passenger" WAS his missus, or partner.
To Others,
My guess is that he was paxing home on duty having taken his missus with him on the trip. Upon checking in at LHR the only seat for her was in economy, so he gave her his first class seat and he took economy. Later in the flight when things were quiet he went to visit her. Much of what is written here is implication and "nudge" "nudge", so I'm seeing a little inventive fiction to spice things up for the article here.
I doubt there would have been the mass complaints the article says - this just sounds like a complete political beat-up to me. Passengers are well separated from each other - they are barely aware of each other. If there WERE complaints, why did the Captain not get involved? Sounds like a CC member got their nose out of joint and complained he was visiting and so he eventually went back to his economy seat. In SIN, the aircraft was probably full, so the travel partner got bumped as usual, so he continued home in his first class seat.
I'm wondering if the only questionable actions here are those of Qantas in releasing the "details" (for a political hatchet job) to a breathless Murdoch newspaper, and those of the CC member for "reporting" the "incident". It wasn't necessarily the CSM who did the report - I've had CSMs complaining to ME about the attitude of occasional crewmembers .......
But then, I'm sure the newspaper was only reporting word for word every detail that happened and I'm completely wrong in my skepticism .........
N
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Bottums Up
Originally Posted by AMEandCPL
Was he being deliberately provocative to the process, or just dumb??
Just because it's been published in a newspaper doesn't make it so. The Sun/Herald huh? Owned by he of the hacking journos if I'm not mistaken.
Remember the allegations and pictures, allegedly of a naked Pauline Please explain Hanson of a few years ago.
In the absence of AUTHORITATIVE evidence to the contrary, I agree with the suggestions that this story is akin to the death threats pantomime.
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Even if I gave up the first class seat for the missus and went down to cattle, my reward would not be THAT. Come to think of it, I doubt if it would ever be. Lucky bugger.