Hero pilot Richard de Crespigny takes sides with Qantas in IR war
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Me Myself, you forget that by cashing in on the QF32 incident in a way that no other pilot on that aircraft, or the QF30, or the QF72 has resorted to, this person has made himself into a public figure.
The speeches, the book and the apparently unsolicited comments in the Australian reinforce that. By making himself into a public figure the rules of privacy become very blurred. What was one or two revealing incidents that no-one really remembers in the distant past can now be placed squarely in the domain of current public interest.
If this guy is going to pass himself off as a super-pilot, and use the notoriety for personal gain including comments on how the company should be run in major newspapers during an industrial dispute between his peers and Qantas, then he sets himself up for public examination as to the veracity of his claims.
But as I said, not for this forum. All in good time. While we are at it, how about you fire your spellchecker?
The speeches, the book and the apparently unsolicited comments in the Australian reinforce that. By making himself into a public figure the rules of privacy become very blurred. What was one or two revealing incidents that no-one really remembers in the distant past can now be placed squarely in the domain of current public interest.
If this guy is going to pass himself off as a super-pilot, and use the notoriety for personal gain including comments on how the company should be run in major newspapers during an industrial dispute between his peers and Qantas, then he sets himself up for public examination as to the veracity of his claims.
But as I said, not for this forum. All in good time. While we are at it, how about you fire your spellchecker?
NP, you must be one amazing person if you're able to justify calling 94% of QF pilots fools, people you have never even had the chance to meet.
Wow I wish we meet one day, I'm sure I'll be blown away with your greatness.
Wow I wish we meet one day, I'm sure I'll be blown away with your greatness.
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Maybe 'Dick' has been rewarded with part ownership or membership of one of the many linked Consultancies to QF as a reward for being compliant, nice little income earners they are.
Maybe he has been offered a bundle of shares, a tasty retainer or a starring role in a new onboard safety briefing video, aka Travolta?
Or maybe he has been influenced by the witch/warlock strength influences of Wirth and the 'wee man'?
Maybe he has simply lost the plot, like Management have, and he is 'off with the fairies in cloud cuckoo land'?
Maybe he has been offered a bundle of shares, a tasty retainer or a starring role in a new onboard safety briefing video, aka Travolta?
Or maybe he has been influenced by the witch/warlock strength influences of Wirth and the 'wee man'?
Maybe he has simply lost the plot, like Management have, and he is 'off with the fairies in cloud cuckoo land'?
NewPiper,
What is your problem? Suffering from Aussie "Tall Poppy Syndrome". Lee Yuan Yew spoke about Australia being the "White Trash of Asia" and with an attitude like yours that is exactly what it will become......A deal will be done sometime soon and it will trade efficiencies for job access, exactly what Dick is proposing...but on a vague promise doesn't cut it anymore....As for Dick he has sealed his fate and it will be a lonely life for him in the years to come....
What is your problem? Suffering from Aussie "Tall Poppy Syndrome". Lee Yuan Yew spoke about Australia being the "White Trash of Asia" and with an attitude like yours that is exactly what it will become......A deal will be done sometime soon and it will trade efficiencies for job access, exactly what Dick is proposing...but on a vague promise doesn't cut it anymore....As for Dick he has sealed his fate and it will be a lonely life for him in the years to come....
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Spell checker ? Check !
Look, you are right, what I don't like is the kind of rumour or inuendo you are printing without going all the way.
Why not here of all places ??? Or are you afraid to end up in court ?
I'm afraid all you would have to print is just a few incidents where RdC didn't do too well......like a lot of others who didn't make it in the history books. No big deal really and like someone else said, it won't change a thing in your dispute with Qantas. I don't really think you can do much to hurt him.
He is the Pilot hero and that's the end of it and it will be very difficult to back pedal the story of the ideal flight deck were team work and super CRM were at work. That's what we got outside anyway.
I would be quite upset if the same happened in my outfit........ I know a truck load of potential RdC's who would love to become media stars and make tons of money.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this dispute start with a claim for a pay rise and some travel benefits, like access to first class ??? and you turned that into fight for australian jobs when the heat was turned on your toush ?
I saw some very happy looking Virgin crews this morning ! How ironic ! Back a few years ago they were walking around in leather jackets and now they just look like Qantas pilots in posh uniforms. This speaks volume don't you think ?
RdC is right.......about one thing and this applies to all of us who work for legacy airlines.
We are surrounded by the Singapore and the Emirates to name a few who have a cost base far lower than ours. How on earth do you propose to be competitive hanging to your porkie perk ?? If you have the solution, be so kind as to share it with me. To me, this dispute is a rehash of 1989.
This job is not like it was in 1966........and it will never be like 1966 ever again. Live with that and I don't like it anymore than you do.
You want money and consideration ? Be a banker ? They are the only one who can crash twice and still make money.
Spell checker ? Check !
Look, you are right, what I don't like is the kind of rumour or inuendo you are printing without going all the way.
Why not here of all places ??? Or are you afraid to end up in court ?
I'm afraid all you would have to print is just a few incidents where RdC didn't do too well......like a lot of others who didn't make it in the history books. No big deal really and like someone else said, it won't change a thing in your dispute with Qantas. I don't really think you can do much to hurt him.
He is the Pilot hero and that's the end of it and it will be very difficult to back pedal the story of the ideal flight deck were team work and super CRM were at work. That's what we got outside anyway.
I would be quite upset if the same happened in my outfit........ I know a truck load of potential RdC's who would love to become media stars and make tons of money.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this dispute start with a claim for a pay rise and some travel benefits, like access to first class ??? and you turned that into fight for australian jobs when the heat was turned on your toush ?
I saw some very happy looking Virgin crews this morning ! How ironic ! Back a few years ago they were walking around in leather jackets and now they just look like Qantas pilots in posh uniforms. This speaks volume don't you think ?
RdC is right.......about one thing and this applies to all of us who work for legacy airlines.
We are surrounded by the Singapore and the Emirates to name a few who have a cost base far lower than ours. How on earth do you propose to be competitive hanging to your porkie perk ?? If you have the solution, be so kind as to share it with me. To me, this dispute is a rehash of 1989.
This job is not like it was in 1966........and it will never be like 1966 ever again. Live with that and I don't like it anymore than you do.
You want money and consideration ? Be a banker ? They are the only one who can crash twice and still make money.
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I have had a gut full of you NewPiper, you don't work at Qantas P*** Off.
You are entitled to your opinion on Qantas but unless you are part of the pilot group who has been sold out by a colleague keep your trolling to any of the other Qantas threads where you can stir **** to your hearts desire.
Do us all a favour and go away.
You are entitled to your opinion on Qantas but unless you are part of the pilot group who has been sold out by a colleague keep your trolling to any of the other Qantas threads where you can stir **** to your hearts desire.
Do us all a favour and go away.
Me Myself.....
You can stand corrected mate. You are wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this dispute start with a claim for a pay rise and some travel benefits, like access to first class ??? and you turned that into fight for australian jobs when the heat was turned on your toush ?
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Without a doubt all written by the same person. So bloody obvious almost laughable.
Qantas PR team hard at work indeed.
Qantas PR team hard at work indeed.
The QF PR team hard at work...
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Derek Merrin of Mount Tamborine Posted at 2:21 AM Today
Good old common sense at last
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steve browning of Perth Posted at 2:39 AM Today
About time we heard from a dinkum aussie qantas worker!!!! Stuff all the Unions they are nothing but bloodsuckers and either Aust Unions become a hell of a lot more modern in their approach to industrial relations or they will one by one cease to have a reason to exist.
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Craig of Sydney Posted at 2:56 AM Today
Its actually fantastic to see someone with some common sense. Maybe he should be running the union, not the other turkey! His comments are all valid, Asia is booming, we all know that...we need to get on the bus !
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Monty of Brisbane Posted at 6:26 AM Today
Thanks Captain de Crespigny for supporting Qantas management in this dispute. Everything you said makes perfect sense if Qantas is to survive another 91 years. That you side with management shows how archaic this union process has become. It seems to me that these unions, and they're not alone, are struggling to win this dispute, more so for their own survival, than for seeking job security for their members. Unions are becoming more irrelevant with each passing century, and the union powerbrokers know it.
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Helen Posted at 6:53 AM Today
Congratulations to Captain de Crespigny for having the courage to say what many others in his profession probably think but are frightened to reveal.
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anthony of Brisbane Posted at 7:35 AM Today
What about our baggage handlers? Are they up there with the best in the world? On current pay rates, our suitcase handlers must be the best around. $85k to load & unload suitcases would attest to that.
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Piano of Brisbane Posted at 7:36 AM Today
I recon a lot of other Qantas pilots will end up coming to similar conclusion. The business has to grow and evolve and that will not happen if the unions are calling the shots. How about individual contracts for pilots with the union out of the frame.
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Allan of Brisbane Posted at 7:48 AM Today
At last we have some sensible comment from someone with credibility. It seems that Captain de Crespigny can see the writing on the wall and I wonder why the self-proclaimed worlds best Qantas pilots cannot understand the simple rudimentaries of what the good Captain is saying. Or is it that they really don't have faith in their worth to Qantas and fear they may be dumped along the way? Get over yourselves; you are not indespensible and you have to compete like everyone else.
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Glenn of Townsville Posted at 8:10 AM Today
A good man, de Crespigny. He's head and shoulders above the whiners who think Qantas owes them a living no matter what.
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Tony alder of Bribane Posted at 8:14 AM Today
Congratulations to Capt Crespigny. A brave man in saying what he felt was sensible and obvious to the outside world of International flying. I have been a pilot for 40 years and flown Internationally for some 25 of those years and agree totally that if Qantas pilots don't realize they live in a very competitive world, particularly within Asia they will eventually be naturally forced into unemployment. The aviation industry is one of the most difficult professions to be in and one can't rest on a "public service " type mentality in assuming that The world owes them the opportunity and security for a life time regardless of economic conditions. The Airline pilot is a professional, Qantas pilots need to set the example.
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Keith of Brisbane Posted at 8:58 AM Today
At least someone with sence works at Qantas, just need a few more.
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Dirk Alber Posted at 9:01 AM Today
I own a medium sized business and fully understand Qantas' position (in terms of potential future outsourcing of jobs) in order to be more competitive. The airline must do this to survive the competitve airline world ..and in the long run it will save more jobs from being lost. However...the timing of announcing a $2million dollar pay increase for Joyce was lousy to say the least and gives the Unions more ammunition. Can you imagine if Joyce had taken a pay cut!! and 'spruked' to shareholders and Unions that he's doing his bit for securing the long term future of the airline !!!
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Jenny Morris of Perth Posted at 10:02 AM Today
At last, a cool headed assessment of the reality that Qantas and other Australian businesses are facing.
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Comments from the article...
Derek Merrin of Mount Tamborine Posted at 2:21 AM Today
Good old common sense at last
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steve browning of Perth Posted at 2:39 AM Today
About time we heard from a dinkum aussie qantas worker!!!! Stuff all the Unions they are nothing but bloodsuckers and either Aust Unions become a hell of a lot more modern in their approach to industrial relations or they will one by one cease to have a reason to exist.
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Craig of Sydney Posted at 2:56 AM Today
Its actually fantastic to see someone with some common sense. Maybe he should be running the union, not the other turkey! His comments are all valid, Asia is booming, we all know that...we need to get on the bus !
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Monty of Brisbane Posted at 6:26 AM Today
Thanks Captain de Crespigny for supporting Qantas management in this dispute. Everything you said makes perfect sense if Qantas is to survive another 91 years. That you side with management shows how archaic this union process has become. It seems to me that these unions, and they're not alone, are struggling to win this dispute, more so for their own survival, than for seeking job security for their members. Unions are becoming more irrelevant with each passing century, and the union powerbrokers know it.
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Helen Posted at 6:53 AM Today
Congratulations to Captain de Crespigny for having the courage to say what many others in his profession probably think but are frightened to reveal.
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anthony of Brisbane Posted at 7:35 AM Today
What about our baggage handlers? Are they up there with the best in the world? On current pay rates, our suitcase handlers must be the best around. $85k to load & unload suitcases would attest to that.
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Piano of Brisbane Posted at 7:36 AM Today
I recon a lot of other Qantas pilots will end up coming to similar conclusion. The business has to grow and evolve and that will not happen if the unions are calling the shots. How about individual contracts for pilots with the union out of the frame.
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Allan of Brisbane Posted at 7:48 AM Today
At last we have some sensible comment from someone with credibility. It seems that Captain de Crespigny can see the writing on the wall and I wonder why the self-proclaimed worlds best Qantas pilots cannot understand the simple rudimentaries of what the good Captain is saying. Or is it that they really don't have faith in their worth to Qantas and fear they may be dumped along the way? Get over yourselves; you are not indespensible and you have to compete like everyone else.
Comment 8 of 13
Glenn of Townsville Posted at 8:10 AM Today
A good man, de Crespigny. He's head and shoulders above the whiners who think Qantas owes them a living no matter what.
Comment 9 of 13
Tony alder of Bribane Posted at 8:14 AM Today
Congratulations to Capt Crespigny. A brave man in saying what he felt was sensible and obvious to the outside world of International flying. I have been a pilot for 40 years and flown Internationally for some 25 of those years and agree totally that if Qantas pilots don't realize they live in a very competitive world, particularly within Asia they will eventually be naturally forced into unemployment. The aviation industry is one of the most difficult professions to be in and one can't rest on a "public service " type mentality in assuming that The world owes them the opportunity and security for a life time regardless of economic conditions. The Airline pilot is a professional, Qantas pilots need to set the example.
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Keith of Brisbane Posted at 8:58 AM Today
At least someone with sence works at Qantas, just need a few more.
Comment 11 of 13
Dirk Alber Posted at 9:01 AM Today
I own a medium sized business and fully understand Qantas' position (in terms of potential future outsourcing of jobs) in order to be more competitive. The airline must do this to survive the competitve airline world ..and in the long run it will save more jobs from being lost. However...the timing of announcing a $2million dollar pay increase for Joyce was lousy to say the least and gives the Unions more ammunition. Can you imagine if Joyce had taken a pay cut!! and 'spruked' to shareholders and Unions that he's doing his bit for securing the long term future of the airline !!!
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Jenny Morris of Perth Posted at 10:02 AM Today
At last, a cool headed assessment of the reality that Qantas and other Australian businesses are facing.
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NP,
When all is said and done, in less than 5 years time there will be a new management team at QF.
There will also be a job security provision when the Sales act gets amended.
When all is said and done, in less than 5 years time there will be a new management team at QF.
There will also be a job security provision when the Sales act gets amended.
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Interesting to hear what the gingerbeers have to say with his take on engineering. Nah, wouldnt have been his missus, because I showed my missus, and she said, I would be furious now that the whole of Australia can see my verandah needs painting, he must be like you. Sheesh, the female take is certainly different.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this dispute start with a claim for a pay rise and some travel benefits, like access to first class ???
We are surrounded by the Singapore and the Emirates to name a few who have a cost base far lower than ours. How on earth do you propose to be competitive hanging to your porkie perk ??
So tell me, how are pilot T & C's part of the lower cost base of both Emirates & Singapore Airlines?
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Helen Posted at 6:53 AM Today
Congratulations to Captain de Crespigny for having the courage to say what many others in his profession probably think but are frightened to reveal.
Helen Posted at 6:53 AM Today
Congratulations to Captain de Crespigny for having the courage to say what many others in his profession probably think but are frightened to reveal.
In fact, if Alan Joyce were privy to some of the private conversations I've heard in recent times, he would actually be quite seriously concerned on several counts.
And Kremin's words are carefully chosen. There are more than a couple of people maintaining a dignified silence there. Personally I hope it stays that way. I think it would open a can of worms otherwise.