Are qf shorthaul careers safe?
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If Qantas puts the short haul award pay rate in the firing line then there will be a mass exodus.
'If jet* start operating internationally....'
Didn't happen then, won't happen next time.
Is it possible that more senior Long Haul pilots could bump Short Haul pilots if there was a big reduction in numbers in Long haul?
As I understand it, if say the 747 fleet was completely retired and there were many redundancies, then the 747 pilots could bid back to A330, 767 and bump more junior pilots from those fleets all the way down the seniority chain? Would this apply to the 737 as well?
As I understand it, if say the 747 fleet was completely retired and there were many redundancies, then the 747 pilots could bid back to A330, 767 and bump more junior pilots from those fleets all the way down the seniority chain? Would this apply to the 737 as well?
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Is it possible that more senior Long Haul pilots could bump Short Haul pilots if there was a big reduction in numbers in Long haul?
As I understand it, if say the 747 fleet was completely retired and there were many redundancies, then the 747 pilots could bid back to A330, 767 and bump more junior pilots from those fleets all the way down the seniority chain? Would this apply to the 737 as well?
As I understand it, if say the 747 fleet was completely retired and there were many redundancies, then the 747 pilots could bid back to A330, 767 and bump more junior pilots from those fleets all the way down the seniority chain? Would this apply to the 737 as well?
My gut tells me Keg that there is no way QF will honor the current provisions and wear the cost of significant retraining. I know people are betting the farm that they will, I'm informed AIPAs position is still that the award will be applied.
Lockout was an extreme measure that was unlikely also...
There is precedent: Kendal Airlines.
Lockout was an extreme measure that was unlikely also...
There is precedent: Kendal Airlines.
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Not the case they are two different awards. You cannot demote and transfer to Short Haul. Read the integration document. The only way a long haul pilot can be transferred to short haul is if they bid for a vacancy if one exists. there are also protections in place for the average hours to be flown on an annual basis. The company has pushed these limits in the last year or so. Earnings are down 20% or so for Captains.
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Seriously, if you don't like the conditions leave. Everyone complains and says there will be a mass exodus. Some how I doubt it. There are plenty of jobs all over the world including VA. Truth is QF pilots are on too good of a wicket to jump themselves.
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Originally Posted by empire4
Truth is QF pilots are on too good of a wicket to jump themselves
QF,VB & JQ are much closer in pay than you think. When you take into account rostering limitations (or lack in QF's case) in the awards I would be extremely surprised to see any significant difference in the wages bill over a year for a given number of hours flown between the majors.
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There is a difference in hourly rates. This doesn't tell the full story though.
Qantas SH pilots are very efficient and offer great flexibility from a Company point of view.
Shorthaul pilots can be flown to the full CAO exemption if required. However the minimum pay is based on 53 hours, which effectively means Qantas can furlough Longhaul pilots onto the shorthaul award and the only pay the minimum when QF have an excess of pilots, saving LH min guarantee payments.
Shorthaul pilots are paid schedule block hours, so if the engines aren't turning, they are not getting paid. If you can see a shorthaul pilot (in the terminal having a coffee or during a walk around or a preflight in the cockpit), that pilot is not getting paid. If you are in a holding pattern, shorthaul pilots are not getting paid.
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled when they arrive at work, they do not get paid.
Company figures I saw some time ago stated from memory around 95% of a shorthaul pilots pay is made up of this scheduled block hour pay.
Other airlines will pay extra for call out on days off, minimum daily credit etc.
Qantas SH pilots are very efficient and offer great flexibility from a Company point of view.
Shorthaul pilots can be flown to the full CAO exemption if required. However the minimum pay is based on 53 hours, which effectively means Qantas can furlough Longhaul pilots onto the shorthaul award and the only pay the minimum when QF have an excess of pilots, saving LH min guarantee payments.
Shorthaul pilots are paid schedule block hours, so if the engines aren't turning, they are not getting paid. If you can see a shorthaul pilot (in the terminal having a coffee or during a walk around or a preflight in the cockpit), that pilot is not getting paid. If you are in a holding pattern, shorthaul pilots are not getting paid.
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled when they arrive at work, they do not get paid.
Company figures I saw some time ago stated from memory around 95% of a shorthaul pilots pay is made up of this scheduled block hour pay.
Other airlines will pay extra for call out on days off, minimum daily credit etc.
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-438, all correct, may I suggest one change:
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled when they arrive at work, they do not get paid.
should read
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled they do not get paid.
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled when they arrive at work, they do not get paid.
should read
If a shorthaul pilots flying gets cancelled they do not get paid.
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Correct FYSTI.
Anyone who thinks Qantas SH pilots are expensive on an hourly rate basis should find a local tradie to do some work around their home.
I had a hot water guy come over the other day. $175 for first 45 mins, then $25 for each extra 15 mins.
Book keepers will charge up to $80 per hour these days.
Anyone who thinks Qantas SH pilots are expensive on an hourly rate basis should find a local tradie to do some work around their home.
I had a hot water guy come over the other day. $175 for first 45 mins, then $25 for each extra 15 mins.
Book keepers will charge up to $80 per hour these days.
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I believe QF shorthaul pay rate per hour to be higher but and it is a very big but there is a much lower min guarantee compared with the other two airlines. The last 12 months has seen a large decrease in flying. There is a greater risk to our pay hence the higher rate. For reserve call out we get 4 hours minimum or the stick if greater but only for the initial duty. Half of the block credit for passengering and 4 hours for sims. Thats it!
Anyone who thinks Qantas SH pilots are expensive on an hourly rate basis should find a local tradie to do some work around their home.
I had a hot water guy come over the other day. $175 for first 45 mins, then $25 for each extra 15 mins.
Book keepers will charge up to $80 per hour these days.
I had a hot water guy come over the other day. $175 for first 45 mins, then $25 for each extra 15 mins.
Book keepers will charge up to $80 per hour these days.
You guys must be doing it really tough.
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MTOW are you serious?
The last time I looked, the AFAP was still very much in business, unlike Ansett and Australian Airlines and their superior "overwhelmingly successful" management!
.....after the Ansett and (then) Australian Airlines managements' undoubted overwhelming success in destroying the domestic pilots union,
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Yup, the AFAP's "alive and well". Pity about the 1300 members who never got their jobs back - and I don't think the AFAP's seen too many dues from the 300+ domestic pilots who did get their jobs back.
...and if you take a look at the current QF board, you'll find a certain bow-tied gentleman still very much in evidence.
...and if you take a look at the current QF board, you'll find a certain bow-tied gentleman still very much in evidence.
Management have been banging on all this time about how L/H is not profitable and S/H is.
Well dear S/H colleagues, in the 6,8,10 months prior to the S/H EBA negotiations, you will all of a sudden become unprofitable, and "changes will need to be made to ensure the survival of the airline".
I'll bet my left one on it.
Well dear S/H colleagues, in the 6,8,10 months prior to the S/H EBA negotiations, you will all of a sudden become unprofitable, and "changes will need to be made to ensure the survival of the airline".
I'll bet my left one on it.