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Virgin Australia has just significantly boosted its corporate client base.
Just in the last month it has taken on 17 high profile corporate contracts who were formerly with Qantas and have decided not ot renew their contracts with them.
The companies include Hilton,Linfox,Spotless,Laing O'Rourke,Deloittes,Unilever and Merck Sharpe and Dohm
Just in the last month it has taken on 17 high profile corporate contracts who were formerly with Qantas and have decided not ot renew their contracts with them.
The companies include Hilton,Linfox,Spotless,Laing O'Rourke,Deloittes,Unilever and Merck Sharpe and Dohm
What we see here is JB is a creator, where Joyce is a wrecker.
That is why Joyce got the job at Qantas over JB.
The Qantas Board has set the direction and they should wear the consequences.
That is why Joyce got the job at Qantas over JB.
The Qantas Board has set the direction and they should wear the consequences.
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The Qantas Board has set the direction and they should wear the consequences.
Last I recall, all of the board are earning more than a 767 Captain- not bad considering that they're all on the boards of other organisations and so it's at best a 'part time' role at Qantas.
The chairman earns more than the oft quoted highest paid A380 Captain too.
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Virgin took a while to make a turn for the better, but it was a very easy fix to get them on the correct path - Godfrey punted and Borghetti hired, pity that simplistic fix wasn't arranged 6 years ago!
A team (or in this case an airline) is only as strong as it's leader. Southwest succeeded under Herb, ANZ is succeeding, Virgin is now succeeding, and look at QF under the Dixon/Joyce dictatorship - do I really need to say anymore?
A team (or in this case an airline) is only as strong as it's leader. Southwest succeeded under Herb, ANZ is succeeding, Virgin is now succeeding, and look at QF under the Dixon/Joyce dictatorship - do I really need to say anymore?
On most companies I would agree with you Keg.
The Qantas board has bought itself a lot of scrutiny over its current direction vs results and the number of groups lining up now to ask questions is beginning to increase.
The AGM will be interesting. I think we will get an idea if the larger shareholders agree with the direction.
Comparing it with the results of the Virgin AGM (to get back on thread as I have digressed into one of hundreds of Qantas Threads) will be interesting.
The breakdown of voting between large shareholders and smaller private shareholders at both AGMs will be a good read.
The Qantas board has bought itself a lot of scrutiny over its current direction vs results and the number of groups lining up now to ask questions is beginning to increase.
The AGM will be interesting. I think we will get an idea if the larger shareholders agree with the direction.
Comparing it with the results of the Virgin AGM (to get back on thread as I have digressed into one of hundreds of Qantas Threads) will be interesting.
The breakdown of voting between large shareholders and smaller private shareholders at both AGMs will be a good read.
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There are many unhappy people working at virgin.
Don't kid yourself. It is not one big happy family.
Don't kid yourself. It is not one big happy family.
Dont like it?...... Leave.... Simple really!
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They would be the minority. The same minority that are unhappy everywhere; at home, at the pub, at work etc.
Well said. What we need in this country is more unemployment so that there is more competition for jobs...
The same can be applied to you TBM, you dont seem to be a fan of ANY virgin thread- so how about keeping that keyboard unemployed next time.
The key for JB will be keeping up the innovation. Having a head start is one thing (and he has done a stellar job) but if by some miracle QANTAS do overhaul their short haul product, then Virgin will have to keep up again.
At the moment having choc-a-block flights must be filling the coffers of VA.
The key for JB will be keeping up the innovation. Having a head start is one thing (and he has done a stellar job) but if by some miracle QANTAS do overhaul their short haul product, then Virgin will have to keep up again.
At the moment having choc-a-block flights must be filling the coffers of VA.
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I'm not a fan of either QF or VB personally. AJ has certainly turned the QF place on its head. The service levels are average and yet I see this as a product of the way it is run not the folks at the 'coal face'....
The VB product is not good domestically although I was very impressed on my last trip across the ocean on V-Australia.....that is a good service show...
My point however is that no matter where you work, if you don't like it, leave and let those who do get on with it....
I'm not a fan of either QF or VB personally. AJ has certainly turned the QF place on its head. The service levels are average and yet I see this as a product of the way it is run not the folks at the 'coal face'....
The VB product is not good domestically although I was very impressed on my last trip across the ocean on V-Australia.....that is a good service show...
My point however is that no matter where you work, if you don't like it, leave and let those who do get on with it....
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Personally, I think his satirical comic genius is misunderstood, I've almost wrecked a couple of monitors with beverages through the nose.
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Airline is a bit more than pilots and CCs. And that bit does not feel too happy. But who cares about them, right ?
And regarding unemployment and competition, TBM-Legend, I don't think any pilot in Australia would agree work for 60K base, however it's perfectly fine to offer that kind of money to people who keep whole airline running.
And regarding unemployment and competition, TBM-Legend, I don't think any pilot in Australia would agree work for 60K base, however it's perfectly fine to offer that kind of money to people who keep whole airline running.
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I once watched a show on tv interviewing a Chinese company manager (I think it was Chinese at least). He owned a fairly successful manufacturing company, but the important thing I heard during the interview was this. My company requires each individual to do thier part. Each part is as important as the other, and my company cannot be successful if one part fails to produce. Why should the manager be paid more than the person making the part, or the shipper who transports the part?
Now I know this reeks (did I spell that right?) of socialism but the essence of his words are true (IMHO). A CEO does not earn $4M or $10M with parachute clauses (aka Dixon) whilst others are earning minimum wage. Equally, despite all the qualifications and training, does an A380 SO really earn (deserve) $180K per year A balance must be struck. I know my post won't change a damn thing, but we must not as part of any company be (too) greedy and be led by the nose by Unions or others with promises of more pay. It is unsustainable and ultimately could lead to the downfall of any given company.
Does a Captain really earn $400,000 by his position? My personal view is that this figure is a little too high, and the CEO figures are way too high, whilst the guy throwing the bags are a little too low.
Posturing by AJ to confront pay rise claims is perhaps a smoke screen for a hidden agenda, Hidden Lion, Crouching Tiger. From a philasophical view point, money doesn't make you happy and this has been proven through countless studies. People are happy when they can live comfortably, thier friends and collegues also in the same situation, and a stable work environment. Is it possible to ask for more money and secure work? There is a point where more money + less security and we have to compete with cheaper asian labour. At some point Asia will train more of it's own pilots therby reducing the demand for expats and perhaps an oversupply in homelands. NOt a good position for a pilot, and we have seen this situation as the norm for many years previously.
The Qantas Board are idiots, and have shown thier stupidity through past actions which would have crippled the airline, saved at the last minute. I have posted numerous times that these companies have people in managment with no REAL qualifications or skills for the position. A qualification is only a piece of paper and the lack of has not prevented the likes of Branson, Lindsay Fox and countless others from being successful managers. But the appointments are made via the "boys club network" and again IMHO with little regard to actual skill sets.
Those appointments are ultimately controlled by the share holders, who equally have no qualifications and for themost part are passengers. Not a good set up for success I would say.
Alas I digress.
Virgin employees posting here at least SEEM a little happier than most, but when you think about it, they would be even happier if the airline was a huge success, making profits, every employee with job security, and kicking goals. Each person happy in that they are part of a successful company, and rewarded reasonably for thier contribution to that success. I sence it at the moment with people posting "we have won this, we have won that".....
Let us continue to fight the good fight, but keep in mind what will really make us happy.
Now I know this reeks (did I spell that right?) of socialism but the essence of his words are true (IMHO). A CEO does not earn $4M or $10M with parachute clauses (aka Dixon) whilst others are earning minimum wage. Equally, despite all the qualifications and training, does an A380 SO really earn (deserve) $180K per year A balance must be struck. I know my post won't change a damn thing, but we must not as part of any company be (too) greedy and be led by the nose by Unions or others with promises of more pay. It is unsustainable and ultimately could lead to the downfall of any given company.
Does a Captain really earn $400,000 by his position? My personal view is that this figure is a little too high, and the CEO figures are way too high, whilst the guy throwing the bags are a little too low.
Posturing by AJ to confront pay rise claims is perhaps a smoke screen for a hidden agenda, Hidden Lion, Crouching Tiger. From a philasophical view point, money doesn't make you happy and this has been proven through countless studies. People are happy when they can live comfortably, thier friends and collegues also in the same situation, and a stable work environment. Is it possible to ask for more money and secure work? There is a point where more money + less security and we have to compete with cheaper asian labour. At some point Asia will train more of it's own pilots therby reducing the demand for expats and perhaps an oversupply in homelands. NOt a good position for a pilot, and we have seen this situation as the norm for many years previously.
The Qantas Board are idiots, and have shown thier stupidity through past actions which would have crippled the airline, saved at the last minute. I have posted numerous times that these companies have people in managment with no REAL qualifications or skills for the position. A qualification is only a piece of paper and the lack of has not prevented the likes of Branson, Lindsay Fox and countless others from being successful managers. But the appointments are made via the "boys club network" and again IMHO with little regard to actual skill sets.
Those appointments are ultimately controlled by the share holders, who equally have no qualifications and for themost part are passengers. Not a good set up for success I would say.
Alas I digress.
Virgin employees posting here at least SEEM a little happier than most, but when you think about it, they would be even happier if the airline was a huge success, making profits, every employee with job security, and kicking goals. Each person happy in that they are part of a successful company, and rewarded reasonably for thier contribution to that success. I sence it at the moment with people posting "we have won this, we have won that".....
Let us continue to fight the good fight, but keep in mind what will really make us happy.
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There are many unhappy people working at virgin.
Don't kid yourself. It is not one big happy family.
Don't kid yourself. It is not one big happy family.
Ah no, suspect the unhappy ones might be in the left seat - unhappy with the sacrifice they made to get there. And we have all assumed that triathlon was refering to flight crew - who knows what the B team in 'that' base think after the big clean out a while back.
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