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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 10:36
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Range generally increases with OEI ops.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 10:55
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Have pax'ed into LHI on many occaisions, she's a wild old landing with everything going right. Can't have been easy on one engine. All praise and admiration for the crew involved.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 22:33
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Life rafts to be carried if aircraft plans to venture more than either 100nm from 'land' or a distance equal to 30 mins at normal cruising speed, whichever is less.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 22:53
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Life rafts to be carried if aircraft plans to venture more than either 100nm from 'land' or a distance equal to 30 mins at normal cruising speed, whichever is less.
Think you'll find it's 120mins and 400nm.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 23:20
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We don't carry life rafts to LHI.

CASA exemption.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 23:31
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Why the exemption? LHI is under 400 nm from the mainland and I would have thought that a Dash-100/200 would TAS better then 200kts in normal cruise?
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 00:21
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Life rafts to be carried if aircraft plans to venture more than either 100nm from 'land' or a distance equal to 30 mins at normal cruising speed, whichever is less.
Better read your CAOs again, Bloggs.
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 05:44
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Why the exemption? LHI is under 400 nm from the mainland and I would have thought that a Dash-100/200 would TAS better then 200kts in normal cruise?
Nope, 186kts is the published figure.

In any case, the reason for the exemption is known really only to flight ops. Something about the risk analysis showing that the chances of both engine failing and the time taken for AMSA to get there doesn't warrant the rafts carriage. Hey, they can fit another four revenue seats on there now!
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 06:17
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Nope, 186kts is the published figure.
You sure? I've never flown a Boat 8, but Wiki gives the -200 a cruise speed of 290KIAS.

I must be missing something here. Liferafts are required >400nm from land. SYD-LHI is 423nm (Google Earth). At the worst point, you'll be 206nm from land (not considering flying up the coast to PMQ first). I can't see that liferafts would ever be required SYD-LHI in an 20.7.1b certified aircraft.
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 06:31
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Ahhhhh, would it be based on single Engine cruise speed by chance?

Same as ETOPS?
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 06:35
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Haha, yeah my response was a bit premature, still stuck in GA , twin turbine applies to this situation
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 06:48
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Ahhhhh, would it be based on single Engine cruise speed by chance?
Arrrrr No.
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 07:31
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Something about the risk analysis showing that the chances of both engine failing and the time taken for AMSA to get there doesn't warrant the rafts carriage
Assuming AMSA has a serviceable aircraft (and crew) within the required flying time of the ditch point to effect a rescue.....
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 11:28
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Yea sorry, 186kts is the single engine cruise speed and I was, for some reason, referring to EDTO (ETOPS) which obviously has nothing to do with this. Disregard.

As for the life raft "exemption" - you know what, now that I think about it, I can't see why they're required either. Maybe in the past, CASA has just applied the clause in CAO 20.11 that says they can require their carriage regardless and somehow Qlink talked them out of it.

Sorry for the stuff up, should've read things more closely on a Sunday morning.
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