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Old 26th Sep 2011, 14:33
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History repeats itself!

AIR New Zealand is increasing its stake in Virgin Australia by 5 per cent and will sit at the takeover threshhold of 19.99 per cent.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 19:46
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Maybe when the Aus govt honors open skies so Air NZ can have a shot at domestic Austrailian flights then history wouldn't need to repeat itself. NZ is at the end of a long supply chain when it comes to getting people into the country and the long term effect of Aus airlines having a seamless operation in both countries while NZ airlines cannot can only be bad for Air NZ. So they are taking one of the few options they can and cementing a long term relationship by buying a stake in V Aus. How can you blame them for that?
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 20:47
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Wouldn't surprise me if if Virgin announce a bid to join Star Alliance, before too long.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 21:12
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Every time I go to work I have a chuckle to myself when I look at the big billboard adjacent to the Stanford hotel at Sydney Domestic.

Seems like only yesterday that the last Aussie airline to get into bed with this lot ended up by throwing 17,000 people out of work. Would've been more of course if the Kiwi govt of the day hadn't come to Air Newzealand's rescue.
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From todays announcement to the stock exchange.

Prior to entering into the equity derivative arrangement, Air New Zealand
received Australian Foreign Investment Review Board approval to purchase up
to 19.99 percent of Virgin Australia.
Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe says there is no intention
to make a takeover bid for Virgin Australia, something he confirmed to the
Australian airline's Chief Executive, John Borghetti, in a telephone call
today.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 22:06
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mmmmmmmm, Rob Fyfe & John Borghetti.

or

Joyce & Buchannan

I would trust Air New Zealand & Virgin Australia before I'd trust Qantas.

(and if my attitude is representative of the mood amongst the punters, Qantas is in deeper **** than they ever thought possible, that's assuming that Qantas management wasn't in denial)
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 22:31
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same strategy as before; 50% of Ansett first then.....
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:06
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is AirNZ still govt owned or was the bail out just a loan/whatever?
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:35
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"This lot" last time was Brierly Investments and their chairman Selwyn Cushing - long gone from the landscape of Air New Zealand
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:55
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It appears that Virgin Australia and Air New Zealand are positioning themselves rather nicely for the eventual self destruction of QANTAS.

I guess the failure of QANTAS will be the fault of New Zealand, along with everything else that seems to be going wrong with Australia at the moment.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 02:15
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Not sure that I look forward to the destruction of QANTAS, but I sure would like to see the end of this Executive team and the Board.

Maybe they can just beat them around a lot and then salvage the good parts with the staff and kill off Jetstar for the sham that it is.

I know I am dreaming again.
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be selfish, don't worry about the 30K workers at QF etc...
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 04:03
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Ahh..go the warriors!?
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It appears that Virgin Australia and Air New Zealand are positioning themselves rather nicely for the eventual self destruction of QANTAS.
Add Singapore Airlines into the mix and QF will have big problems, which won't be solved by starting some QANTASIA type airline.

Please remind me, which Australian airline lobbied the government of the day to deny SQ AUS-USA rights?

It's about to come back to bite them on the bum big time.
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Maybe when the Aus govt honors open skies so Air NZ can have a shot at domestic Austrailian flights then history wouldn't need to repeat itself. NZ is at the end of a long supply chain when it comes to getting people into the country and the long term effect of Aus airlines having a seamless operation in both countries while NZ airlines cannot can only be bad for Air NZ. So they are taking one of the few options they can and cementing a long term relationship by buying a stake in V Aus. How can you blame them for that?
+1

Open skies has been one way traffic right since the start, perhaps the New Zealand Govt should do to Aussie airlines what the Aussie Govt did all those years ago to Air NZ. Tell them to f**k off.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 09:19
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Do you mean Qantas Board...yep agree.

They want to be in Singapore so lets grant them their wish WITHOUT Oz options.

They don't want us, so why we should we want them?
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 09:36
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OK, I'll bite. What's actually stopping ANZ, or indeed anyone else from setting up domestically in OZ? Or are Tiger the only ones with the balls to give it a try?
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 11:00
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The amount of money reqd to achieve a relevant market share for some sort of chance of return. Thats what.

SQ hasnt achieved it with Tiger yet, what makes you think AirNZ can afford it?
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 11:12
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Perhaps the dynamics have changed.

Tiger faced two strong competitors, so the opportunities have now changed significantly with the future looking somewhat different for one of them.Never for a moment do the Singaporeans play a short term game.

It is all about positioning for the time that it will count, so unless Sir Ralph is coming on Board, there is a possibility that isn't too far away.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Porch
OK, I'll bite. What's actually stopping ANZ, or indeed anyone else from setting up domestically in OZ? Or are Tiger the only ones with the balls to give it a try?
Nothing. Any airline can come into Australia and start a domestic operation tomorrow.

Why aren't they jumping in to do it - because it will fail.

Australia is a terrible country to start an airline. Small population, large continent and all the flying is primarily linear East-Coast movements into major "costly" airports as there are no "regional" airport to operate too unlike in the U.S. or Europe...
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