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Old 24th Sep 2011, 00:04
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Qantas+Pilot Shortage in Asia=Risk of Failure

Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
QANTAS plans for Asian expansion may be headed for turbulence, with US aerospace giant Boeing warning of a mounting shortage of pilots and technicians in the Asia-Pacific.

Boeing predicted this week that the region would require 182,300 new pilots and 247,400 new technicians in the Asia-Pacific region in the next two decades.
Much of that demand will be in Jetstar's prime target, China, which will need 72,700 pilots and 108,300 technicians.
The Oceania region, which includes Australia, will need 13,600 pilots and 15,600 technicians.
Boeing says there are already indications demand for travel and industry growth in the Asia-Pacific is outstripping the supply of pilots and technicians.
"The signs of a global pilot shortage are mounting as airlines expand their fleets and flight schedules to meet surging demand in emerging markets," it says.
"Asian airlines in particular are experiencing delays and operational interruptions due to pilot scheduling constraints."
Boeing's flight services chief customer officer Roei Ganzarski told the CAPA Centre for Aviation that some airlines had grounded or reduced flights, including grounding new planes, because of the shortage.
Asked whether the shortage was affecting its plans, a Jetstar spokeswoman agreed that its fast regional growth meant it had a strong need for suitably qualified pilots and it was currently recruiting 150 pilots in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Japan .
"We realise that it is hotly contested for pilots in this region and so we are also investing in the future," she said. "Last year we launched a cadet pilot program with two of the world's leading pilot training providers.
"This partnership represents a major investment by Jetstar in the region's future generation of highly trained airline pilots.
"The program complements our other pilot recruitment activity and will supply a number of our future requirements for pilots."
Mr Ganzarski said the industry needed to make a concentrated effort to get young people excited about careers in aviation. This included the use of mobile and online devices as well as a switch in emphasis from the number of flying hours to aptitude.
"We are competing for talent with alluring hi-tech companies and we need to do a better job showcasing our industry as a global, technological, multi-faceted environment where individuals from all backgrounds and disciplines can make a significant impact," he said.
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QANTAS plans for Asian expansion may be headed for turbulence
Did Mr Creedy have to hand back his Chairman's lounge membership and iPad after that little tid bit?

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Mr Ganzarski said the industry needed to make a concentrated effort to get young people excited about careers in aviation

Well the smartest guys in the room have that under control don't they. Devalue the skills, drive down the wages, offer them relocation at their discretion, and generally piss them off by their sneaky and devious treatment through constant off shoring sham arrangements.

And that excludes alienating almost the entire workforce and a large proportion of once loyal customer base.

Well done everyone, give yourself another bonus.

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Licenses Issued

How many CPLs have been issued in Australia in the last 12 months?
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there's a mini (albeit short term) shortage at QF already....from the HOF blog, no more crew will be released on LWOP from the 400 or 330. Open time is crammed full of uncrewed trips, FO's have being doing SO pattern double shuttles, and the divisors for next roster on the 330 and 400 are rumoured to be 180....

so we've gone from 'we have too many pilots' to 'holy crap...we cant crew our trips!'
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Mr Ganzarski said the industry needed to make a concentrated effort to get young people excited about careers in aviation. This included the use of mobile and online devices as well as a switch in emphasis from the number of flying hours to aptitude.
This is going to an issue in Asia for various reasons.
1. There is no grass roots GA so people aren't going to have an interest in aviation in general.
2. Those who have the aptitude/education to be pilots usually face family/social pressure as flying isn't perceived a prestigious job. Being a banker or lawyer or something is considered a better job.
3. People on the whole don't drive cars so having the human/mechanical interaction is not common so therefore aptitude is going to limited on the whole.
4. Given that the local airlines pay for the entire cost of training I don't quite know what QF are thinking. I assume they think it can be run entirely with expats with a few rich kids as FO's.
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They are going to need to attract a lot of DEC's. The money will need to be more than what they are paying their J* Captains in Australia.

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Mr Ganzarski said the industry needed to make a concentrated effort to get young people excited about careers in aviation. This included the use of mobile and online devices as well as a switch in emphasis from the number of flying hours to aptitude.
That has successfully been achieved by lowering the entry standards so that people who's other choice was "Stop Go Guy" for the local council, now has airline pilot as an alternative, that guy's pretty excited.

The only problem is he is still deciding whether being locked in an aluminium tube with a dozen or so 20 something women (as opposed to standing in the rain all day with a dozen or so toothless, bearded wife beaters) is worth the pay cut.

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Pilotless aircraft.
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outfits like air asia and silkair dont seem to have problems attracting dec's.
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Really? J* Asia currently paying a "sign on" bonus to suitable Cadets (amount- I don't know) & DEC's $24,000 SD
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z blood, airasia pay much less than jetstarasia and are having trouble getting crews. Jetstarasia now paying sign on bonus plus to get crews, and still having trouble to get the numbers they are after.
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Just wait till the MPL is recognised in more countries. It is in HKG now and will probably end up in SIN next.

Once that is up and running the LCC's will not have a pilot shortage problem, pilot attrition will be next to zero as their licences will be worthless when they leave.

Similar things are occurring in China with the CAAC suspending licences when pilots move to other carriers for up to 6 months, one solution towards solving the pilot problem.
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How many CPLs have been issued in Australia in the last 12 months?
From the thread about pilot salary decline...
YEAR 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

ATPL 373 ... 332 .... 378 ... 488 ... 521 .. 425 486

CPL 804 ...... 670 987 .... 1162 1352 ... 1453 1344
Once that is up and running the LCC's will not have a pilot shortage problem, pilot attrition will be next to zero as their licences will be worthless when they leave.
That will perhaps slow down the flow of pilots leaving once they have gained experience but it does nothing to answer the supply side. It does not make the job MORE attractive, if anything the opposite as your qualifications are less transportable. So young Lee Goh Hong or Sammarat Readalotofporn will probably find a better option.
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"Stop Go Guy" for the local council
You just failed the councils entrance exam. It would be the "STOP SLOW GUY"
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The Oceania region, which includes Australia, will need 13,600 pilots and 15,600 technicians.
Who's training these guys?
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Most of those licenses are probably ttmra conversions from kiwi ones..

..I was one :o
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Devil some numbers to consider

Not that it makes a lot of difference the real (by financial year) figures are:
2009/10 514
2008/09 589
2007/08 477
do not have the 2010/11 figures.

Of greater concern are these figures
2009/10 200
2008/09 172
2007/08 161
They are the NEW Grade 3's issued each year. Unless those figures doble we will not have the instructors to train the numbers we need.
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Pilot shortage

Was that a purple-polka-dotted pig I just saw flying past my window?
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Sure was
They tend to swarm at this time of year
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