Another Security Stuff-UP at Sydney
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Another Security Stuff-UP at Sydney
I wonder if the Security Screening company will be looking nervously at its contract? 
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Olivia Wirth interviewed on radio station 2UE Sydney has described the incident as a one off event...........
Exactly the same nature as this one off event !!
Melbourne Airport Qantas terminal evacuated | Security breach
Exactly the same nature as this one off event !!
Melbourne Airport Qantas terminal evacuated | Security breach
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as an operating crew member, I would love to arrive at screening one day with the crash axe in my hot little hand. Oh you won't let me through with an axe? Hmmmm well it's a tool of trade, you tool.
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Ka.boom has a point. And yet they are paying people to stand at the exits - aren't they meant to stop this sort of thing?
You shake your head but it will happen again in a couple of months - and all because of the incompetence of the security companies.
You shake your head but it will happen again in a couple of months - and all because of the incompetence of the security companies.
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Bigbrother,
My brother got stopped by the goons because he was carrying a swiss army knife. Took much discussing, haggling and arguing before he could proceed. His "look, if I'm going to lose my head and want to take out the FO, I'll have to use the crash axe if you don't let me keep my knife" comment finally allowed common sense to prevail. Yes, he was the Captain of the aircraft, in uniform with pilot bag etc etc.
Madness.............
My brother got stopped by the goons because he was carrying a swiss army knife. Took much discussing, haggling and arguing before he could proceed. His "look, if I'm going to lose my head and want to take out the FO, I'll have to use the crash axe if you don't let me keep my knife" comment finally allowed common sense to prevail. Yes, he was the Captain of the aircraft, in uniform with pilot bag etc etc.
Madness.............
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The only place in the world where an ASIC means jack****e
They certainly don't convince the idiots running aviation security that you are any less a threat to aviation. Just watch what happens in Perth during CHOGM.
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Point 1
The cause of the problem in Sydney was 2 idiot passengers walking through the wrong door was it not? Again.
Point 2
For the lilywhites who want aircrew treated differently: what about Egyptair, Japanair, Silkair and Fedex, all aircraft security problems with dire consequences where a pilot was the perpetrator albeit not using a Swiss army knife.
The cause of the problem in Sydney was 2 idiot passengers walking through the wrong door was it not? Again.
Point 2
For the lilywhites who want aircrew treated differently: what about Egyptair, Japanair, Silkair and Fedex, all aircraft security problems with dire consequences where a pilot was the perpetrator albeit not using a Swiss army knife.
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Hello Clotted,
If the airline/ pax trust the tech crew to operate the aircraft competently and get everyone to their destination safely then I believe they can be trusted to behave themselves with a swiss army knife...
A swiss army knife is basically a small tool kit, who knows what scenario could occur where one might come in handy?
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Octane
If the airline/ pax trust the tech crew to operate the aircraft competently and get everyone to their destination safely then I believe they can be trusted to behave themselves with a swiss army knife...
A swiss army knife is basically a small tool kit, who knows what scenario could occur where one might come in handy?
Cheers
Octane
If aircrew aren't to be treated differently, then lets drop the ASIC thing and save the money. If we are going to be put through the mill to get them and pay for the priveledge, then they should be worth something.
Clot, As a 'lilywhite', my understanding is that no weapons were involved in any of those incidents except the Fed Ex. Silkair remains open to speculation but there are rumours that cabin equipment was used to disable the First Officer.
Every pilot walks through security with two weapons: his or her hands that will manipulate a machine carrying hundreds of tonnes of jet fuel at 8/10 of the speed of sound.
This 'lilywhite' only wants to be 'treated differently' in the form of a little bit of priority in the various queues to get his passengers airborne on time; or after working all night, over those who have been sleeping, watching movies or drinking wine. Just a cheap sign from Officeworks saying 'priority for crew' would not be much to ask (this is usually available at many other airports in the world).
It's an ill wind that blows no one any good, and 9/11 was just the excuse the security industry needed to milk taxpayers, airlines and passengers of millions to provide service of questionable value staffed mainly by boofheads who would probably be unemployable in any other industry, causing stuffups such as the subject of this thread.
The two passengers who walked the wrong way (by the way, ever heard of 'turnstiles'? I'm sure they are not expensive to install) were not the 'idiots'. The real idiots were probably too busy taking nail files off little old ladies or checking pilots for 'explosives'.
Every pilot walks through security with two weapons: his or her hands that will manipulate a machine carrying hundreds of tonnes of jet fuel at 8/10 of the speed of sound.
This 'lilywhite' only wants to be 'treated differently' in the form of a little bit of priority in the various queues to get his passengers airborne on time; or after working all night, over those who have been sleeping, watching movies or drinking wine. Just a cheap sign from Officeworks saying 'priority for crew' would not be much to ask (this is usually available at many other airports in the world).
It's an ill wind that blows no one any good, and 9/11 was just the excuse the security industry needed to milk taxpayers, airlines and passengers of millions to provide service of questionable value staffed mainly by boofheads who would probably be unemployable in any other industry, causing stuffups such as the subject of this thread.
The two passengers who walked the wrong way (by the way, ever heard of 'turnstiles'? I'm sure they are not expensive to install) were not the 'idiots'. The real idiots were probably too busy taking nail files off little old ladies or checking pilots for 'explosives'.
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Part of the problem is that the security staff at these doors are located inside the sterile area...to advise when a breach has occurred. 
If they moved to the other side of the fence they may actually be able to prevent rather than report.
If they moved to the other side of the fence they may actually be able to prevent rather than report.
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Originally Posted by clotted
For the lilywhites who want aircrew treated differently...
It's somewhat of an in-house joke at QF for example, that for international departures you are dropped off airside with only a precursory ASIC check, with all your bags, then you proceed from airside using your ASIC card in the reader, into the terminal so that you can then go through security! After which you walk to the gate, then go back airside from whence you came!
At the very least, most other places around the world have dedicated crew lanes or an expedited crew screening procedure and exercise a bit of discretion with the pilots. But not in Australia. Nosirree. We're all equal here.
As the security screener at a major Australian airport told me one day whilst diligently inspecting my pocket umbrella, delaying me at the screening line in full uniform: "I need to check this sir, as it could be used to conceal something which might allow you to force your way into the cockpit". No, we wouldn't want that would we? I might be able to then load the route and performance data into the FMC......
Yes, it's time uniformed crew were given priority in all Security, Customs and Quarantine queues.
We don't see the Security, Customs and Quarantine personnel themselves lining up with hundreds of passengers to get to or from work, do we?
We don't see the Security, Customs and Quarantine personnel themselves lining up with hundreds of passengers to get to or from work, do we?
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My Point Exactly
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Australia the only place in the world that has ASICs?
Yes that is correct.Australia issues these idnetity cards after rigorous background checks.Further I have no problem with screening as long as it does not impact on the on the ontime departure of the aircraft I'm operating on.To do the security check properly Qantas should provide an extra 30 mins between sign on and aircraft departure.
Security screeners all round the world seem aware of integrity of the ASIC.This awareness is not obvious in Australia...their place of issue
Yes that is correct.Australia issues these idnetity cards after rigorous background checks.Further I have no problem with screening as long as it does not impact on the on the ontime departure of the aircraft I'm operating on.To do the security check properly Qantas should provide an extra 30 mins between sign on and aircraft departure.
Security screeners all round the world seem aware of integrity of the ASIC.This awareness is not obvious in Australia...their place of issue
ASIC's are actually a complete joke and a money making scam.
They are NOT valid forms of identification and the government doesn't even hold the particulars on who has one. That is all controlled by a private company or your airline.
They are NOT valid forms of identification and the government doesn't even hold the particulars on who has one. That is all controlled by a private company or your airline.
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I was screened for explosive trace detection last week. The screener apologized & stated they had recently had an audit done & they were told they were screening a disproportionate amount of pilots compare to cabin crew & passengers.
I replied, hold on what's the proportion between the amount of pilots comming thru screening compared to all others.
The reply, "mate, I know. But we've been told to screen more pilots"
MC
I replied, hold on what's the proportion between the amount of pilots comming thru screening compared to all others.
The reply, "mate, I know. But we've been told to screen more pilots"
MC
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A high % of times I go thru security (in uniform) I am selected for an explosives examination.It would be close to 25% of security transits.
Are staff targeted as a risk ?
Easy targets to minimize passenger checks and delays ?
Or a combo just to tick the requisite boxes ?
I doubt 1 in 4 pax gets swabbed.
Are staff targeted as a risk ?
Easy targets to minimize passenger checks and delays ?
Or a combo just to tick the requisite boxes ?
I doubt 1 in 4 pax gets swabbed.