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Old 15th Sep 2011, 22:07
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 23:04
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Pretty cool huh.......
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 23:07
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It would be cool except you have to live in a s#*t hole!!!!!!!!!!!!

And before you ask, yes I've been there.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 23:24
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777 command, 343000 gross.
That's not possible. Olivia Wirth on Sky News yesterday said that QF pilots were the highest paid in the world. Surely she wasn't mistaken? Surely she didn't mis-speak?
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 05:03
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Looks like the QF Pysch tests got it right for once. Glad you like Dubai.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 07:29
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36, 777 command, 343000 gross. What a hero!
Well atleast he hasnt left any charts behind.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 08:23
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come april 2012 it won't be an issue in HKG or even BKK
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 08:53
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I look forward to having you as my F/O....
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 11:12
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No charts left behind waren, but didn't they take out a localiser on takeoff in Mel on 34? You won't be flying with me as your f/o bypass. I wouldn't live in the Middle East for all the tea in China, or all the sand in Dubai!
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 12:04
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shall we rename the thread "p*ssing match between those who've never made mistakes".....
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 12:40
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Good call Bingo. Cool,
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 15:34
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but didn't they take out a localiser on takeoff in Mel on 34?
Just like the QF landing distance calcs using Runway, Stopway, Clearway, Fairway........
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 16:22
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It's a wonder 'long haul' aircraft can lift the 'egos'! Do you put them on the manifest for weight and balance?
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 19:35
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OK... charts/docs shouldnt be left behind but these things can and clearly do happen. Surely 3/4 experienced pilots using FMC data, ACARS, Satphone co-ordination to LHR ATC to see if they will accept them and QF dispatch (or whatever they call it) to validate data for destination and a suitable alternate, Cant be that difficult or un-safe given some 5 or 6 hours to figure it out.

From whats written here the whole thing sounds sloppy. Maybe theres a "back story"
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 20:26
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Slamer:

OK... charts/docs shouldnt be left behind but these things can and clearly do happen. Surely 3/4 experienced pilots using FMC data, ACARS, Satphone co-ordination to LHR ATC to see if they will accept them and QF dispatch (or whatever they call it) to validate data for destination and a suitable alternate, Cant be that difficult or un-safe given some 5 or 6 hours to figure it out.
I'm sure you are right Slamer, it could be worked out, however I don't think the legalities and insurance requirements are sufficiently elastic to accommodate you.

To put that another way, try telling a policeman that your car really is roadworthy without lights and windshield wipers because you have "worked out" a way of driving it safely, and let me know what happens
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 22:12
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So if you were half way to LHR and you discovered your charts (assuming you have them) are just out of date you'd divert because your not legal.

Most of the required data is already onboard, its just a matter of verifying it.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 23:38
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Slammer, I'm with Sunfish. Imagine yourself in a court of enquiry after some incident that has nothing to do with missing documents, but with a Legal Eagle the calibre of Geoffrey Robertson quietly tearing you a new fundamental orifice, as you squirm trying to explain why you knew better to disregard some rule or regulation to avoid the inconvenience of a tuen back.

It wouldn't be pretty.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 00:46
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Sure and if they deliberately dispatched without current or any Doc's I'd agree. But I guess they should have thought about the "legal eagles" before this departure. Doesnt matter whether at destination or RTB the lawyers will take the crews professionalism to pieces in the event of a incident at either ... given the reason for diversion

Whatever ... Ill bet this crew is in for a higher jump for forgetting Docs and returning than forgetting Docs and completing the flight to destination, which is what their paid to do.... safely
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 01:56
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Can't agree Slamer, they had no choice but to return. They could have carried on and more than likely nothing would have gone wrong and no one would have been any the wiser until the next crew turned up for the return flight and said 'where are all the charts'. I would think this decision would have been taken in conjunction with the company ops anyway.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 01:59
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Bad oversight by 2 crews, how did the aircraft leave Oz without the full route package. It is this second point that needs addressing by QF. There is something systemically wrong when this sort of event occurs, and this is not the first time charts have not been on board and a diversion was the result.

Trouble is it is easier for this current management to get the boys and girls in for tea and bickies then to go and find a solution to stop this happening again-ever.
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