First Virgin ATR72 has landed
Great, Let the outsourcing begin!
They should be flown by pilots at VA, or at the very least, the number of aircraft flown by a contract company should be limited.
They should be flown by pilots at VA, or at the very least, the number of aircraft flown by a contract company should be limited.
I like what big brother said, so by all accounts because I fly five sector days into CTAF airports in a jungle jet I should get approx 180k. I want you on my eba team.
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have and have nots
NIg nog, I would be more than happy to get on to a pilots body to represent the hard working boys and girls, but the arrogant and ignorant 'management' that I would have to deal with 'aint worth my blood sweat and tears. With the current exodus to Cathay (250 pilots short), virgin (recruiting onto the EMB190), and other high value airlines, it won't be long until we hear the usual tripe from management about how badly they are off without Govt. support, not enough pilots "please help us we deserve Taxpayer money" attitude.
I will laugh my tits off to sit back and watch it all unfold. And, when I hear the cries of foul play from management, I will contact my local member (or Nick Xenaphon) to set the record straight.
I will laugh my tits off to sit back and watch it all unfold. And, when I hear the cries of foul play from management, I will contact my local member (or Nick Xenaphon) to set the record straight.
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I'm with Bigbrother on this one. I have always found it slightly bizarre that someone flying a 747 should get more than someone flying a 777, or say a 767 or whatever. I can only say from my own experience but it has always seemed that the toughest flying I did was in an aircraft a fraction of the size of the 400 tonne beasty I now call home. Is the skill and responsibility really that different between a 50 seater and a 150 seater? What if one day I am flying a 400 tonne freighter (which I have always found more challenging than pax flying) and on another I am half empty with 200pax. Do I get paid more because of the 200pax? In the end it comes down to economics and seniority lists. The big jets go to nice destinations and are owned by companies who can afford to pay the pilots on top of that seniority list the money they have been dreaming about since bashing around in a regional turbo prop. It has little to do with the skill and challenge of the day to day operation. Those senior pilots want to be reimbursed for the training investment they have made and the often substandard conditions they endured as pilots in GA and the regionals.
Hence the pay scale tied to seat numbers.
Hence the pay scale tied to seat numbers.
The argument about whether payscales should be related to weight and/or number of seats is beside the point.
My point was that if a payscale relating to seats or weight already exists within a company (right or wrong) and they introduce an aircraft with 50% or 100% more seating capacity, then why does the payscale only ever seem to go up by a few %?
My point was that if a payscale relating to seats or weight already exists within a company (right or wrong) and they introduce an aircraft with 50% or 100% more seating capacity, then why does the payscale only ever seem to go up by a few %?
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It went to Bundy for the Wide Bay airshow.
And yes the ATR should have be crewed from within as it has cost commands with it being crewed by Skywest. The number of EOI's the company received for the secondment to Skywest prove it could have been done in house.
And yes the ATR should have be crewed from within as it has cost commands with it being crewed by Skywest. The number of EOI's the company received for the secondment to Skywest prove it could have been done in house.
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Also goes a long way toward refuting REX's assertion that pilots only want to go and fly big shiny jets so why bother trying to pay to retain current crew.
Here we have a sizable number of jet drivers wanting to go back to a turboprop because it would offer superior work life balance, with fair remuneration.
You just can't tell some people.
The Monster
Here we have a sizable number of jet drivers wanting to go back to a turboprop because it would offer superior work life balance, with fair remuneration.
You just can't tell some people.
The Monster
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Hmmmm a concensus. We're doing well so far. I agree with Dragon and The Monster on the thinking here. Yes if the process for Seats vs salary is in place, then a proportional increase is in order. I personally think it's nuts and a hang over from the 'glory days' of aviation like when you bid to not go to work.
As for leaving to fly the shiny jet, the first Regional to actually cater to keep happy employees, will = happy customers = return business and better profits.
Back to the original thread though.
When are the next ATR's due and do we have any idea of the distribution of them yet? Are they coming to Adelaide?
As for leaving to fly the shiny jet, the first Regional to actually cater to keep happy employees, will = happy customers = return business and better profits.
Back to the original thread though.
When are the next ATR's due and do we have any idea of the distribution of them yet? Are they coming to Adelaide?
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BNE and CBR bases only!!
I think you will all find those coming from the south are going to get away from earth quakes and keep families happy while maintaining there current work life balance. These pilots are also under the impression ATR rates are on the way and haven't heard anything to the contrary.
I think you will all find those coming from the south are going to get away from earth quakes and keep families happy while maintaining there current work life balance. These pilots are also under the impression ATR rates are on the way and haven't heard anything to the contrary.
I do so love it when people do their homework! sid-star, The company bond you for a type rating, and paying for one will not put you ahead. There is currently no ATR sim in Australia, however I have heard rumblings of ATR throwing one in for free, and I have seen some surveyors at the Alteon building when I was there a few weeks ago.
It seems everyone wants to jump on this Skywest bandwagon. I think Toll lost close to half their pilots from the ATR. It seems they all took a paycut (Captains a significant one, 20k) to fly more and work weekends. Admittedly though, one gets to wear a hat with scrambled eggs and walk tall through the terminal, which must do wonders for the soul.
Straight home and dont spare the horses
It seems everyone wants to jump on this Skywest bandwagon. I think Toll lost close to half their pilots from the ATR. It seems they all took a paycut (Captains a significant one, 20k) to fly more and work weekends. Admittedly though, one gets to wear a hat with scrambled eggs and walk tall through the terminal, which must do wonders for the soul.
Straight home and dont spare the horses
