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Standard Unit, I think you're comparing apples & oranges in the case of Ms Rinehart. The issue in the mining industry is not about driving down wages and conditions, it's about being able to find and employ skilled workers that are so thin on the ground in AU that FIFO workers are being poached at PH airport.
I suggest you stick to Qantas issues rather than display your ignorance of the mining industry and apparently your dislike of successful employers.
Much better to employ more parasites in CB eh?
I find the term "Pig" in reference to a good business woman offensive.
I suggest you stick to Qantas issues rather than display your ignorance of the mining industry and apparently your dislike of successful employers.
Much better to employ more parasites in CB eh?
I find the term "Pig" in reference to a good business woman offensive.
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I find the term "Pig" in reference to a good business woman offensive.
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RATpin.. wrt Ms Rinehart.. one does not get to be worth $10.3 billion by being philanthropic. Businesses don't do things that benefit their employees unless there is something in it for the employer. I venture that her company would be no different in this regard.
Also in her article she was talking of un-skilled and semi-skilled workers not just skilled workers. Surely unskilled workers can be sourced locally?
And as for the "pig" reference... seriously??? Perhaps the HUP principle needs some application..
Also in her article she was talking of un-skilled and semi-skilled workers not just skilled workers. Surely unskilled workers can be sourced locally?
And as for the "pig" reference... seriously??? Perhaps the HUP principle needs some application..
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"I think the pendulum has swung back quite dramatically," said Mr Clifford
You bet it has sweet heart and you had better get used to it
In the 70's the unions had too much power but prior to that the employers had too much power.
Under Howard the swing on the upside, to the benefit of employers was quite astounding.
It was always going to swing back, it is just taking longer than I thought it would.
Game On
You bet it has sweet heart and you had better get used to it
In the 70's the unions had too much power but prior to that the employers had too much power.
Under Howard the swing on the upside, to the benefit of employers was quite astounding.
It was always going to swing back, it is just taking longer than I thought it would.
Game On
RATpin:
With the greatest respect Ratty, you are missing the point. In order to become skilled you require training and experience - this is usually provided by an apprenticeship of some sort.
Needless to say, the mining companies that are howling about a lack of skilled labour haven't bothered to train any apprentices themselves, instead they wish to poach skilled workers from companies or governments that trained them.
I was listening to Dean Mighell (ETU) on radio when he made exactly this point. He has Fifty apprentice electricians on his books in Victoria and can't find places for them in industry .....while everybody is howling about a lack of tradesman.
Standard Unit, I think you're comparing apples & oranges in the case of Ms Rinehart. The issue in the mining industry is not about driving down wages and conditions, it's about being able to find and employ skilled workers that are so thin on the ground in AU that FIFO workers are being poached at PH airport.
I suggest you stick to Qantas issues rather than display your ignorance of the mining industry and apparently your dislike of successful employers.
Much better to employ more parasites in CB eh?
I find the term "Pig" in reference to a good business woman offensive.
I suggest you stick to Qantas issues rather than display your ignorance of the mining industry and apparently your dislike of successful employers.
Much better to employ more parasites in CB eh?
I find the term "Pig" in reference to a good business woman offensive.
Needless to say, the mining companies that are howling about a lack of skilled labour haven't bothered to train any apprentices themselves, instead they wish to poach skilled workers from companies or governments that trained them.
I was listening to Dean Mighell (ETU) on radio when he made exactly this point. He has Fifty apprentice electricians on his books in Victoria and can't find places for them in industry .....while everybody is howling about a lack of tradesman.
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Dear Gina,
Sure, you can set up a "Special Economic Zone" and import foreign labour to fix your "skills shortage". However, any profits will be taxed at 60% if the employees are not remunerated as per Australian Workplace Agreements.
Please let us know if you are still experiencing a "skills shortage" after receipt of this letter.
Regards,
The Australian Workers
(From whose toil you have become extremely wealthy)
Sure, you can set up a "Special Economic Zone" and import foreign labour to fix your "skills shortage". However, any profits will be taxed at 60% if the employees are not remunerated as per Australian Workplace Agreements.
Please let us know if you are still experiencing a "skills shortage" after receipt of this letter.
Regards,
The Australian Workers
(From whose toil you have become extremely wealthy)
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Australian Agenda-Skynews
On Australian Agenda (Skynews Sunday Am) it was good to see Tony Sheldon take a swipe at Qantas and LC exporting Australian jobs overseas for cheap foreign labour at the expense of Australian workers. And how the Labour government and minister stand by and allow this situation to develop.
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Needless to say, the mining companies that are howling about a lack of skilled labour haven't bothered to train any apprentices themselves...
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"One of the debates we are having is: should Qantas build a maintenance hangar? This is part of the labour negotiation. I think that is ridiculous."
Shutting down H245, leaving it vacant, while the 747 fleet reliability diminished, and now resurrecting the hangar. Lying through your teeth that the buildings had to make way for the airport expansion.
Cliffy, I'll tell you what is ridiculous.
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Sunfish,I agree with the general thrust of your argument,however,lack of Industry investment in training has been happening for a considerable time and can't see that changing anytime soon.
Unfortunately,Governments have sold off many of the traditional training grounds for apprentices over the last few decades and clearly private enterprise has not seen the value of continuing the investment in training which is now bitting.
So the problem of skilled workforce shortage will in part be resolved by foreign skilled and semi skilled workers wether we like it or not.
P.S. I know of a Company here that recently lost a major contract to an overseas competitor, as a result, around eighty apprenticeships had to be cancelled including my sons.
Unfortunately,Governments have sold off many of the traditional training grounds for apprentices over the last few decades and clearly private enterprise has not seen the value of continuing the investment in training which is now bitting.
So the problem of skilled workforce shortage will in part be resolved by foreign skilled and semi skilled workers wether we like it or not.
P.S. I know of a Company here that recently lost a major contract to an overseas competitor, as a result, around eighty apprenticeships had to be cancelled including my sons.
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Interesting that when Ansett was run by a pilot (and it's founder Reg god bless him) it was a profitable enterprise and a great place to work, when over taken by these masters of the universe it now no longer exists, if only the shareholders (read as instituitions) could rid QF of Joyce and Clifford and give a fantastic icon a chance to survive and prosper for BOTH shareholders (read instituitions and mum and dad investors) and loyal long suffering employee's.
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It is possible Nunc.
A Keep Qantas Australian Business Plan endorsed by QF's entire workforce may well be preferable to a majority of Qantas’ shareholders/investors if it can be shown to be just as profitable and not unaustralian.
Ethical investment is not just about tobacco, alcohol and the Tab.
A Keep Qantas Australian Business Plan endorsed by QF's entire workforce may well be preferable to a majority of Qantas’ shareholders/investors if it can be shown to be just as profitable and not unaustralian.
Ethical investment is not just about tobacco, alcohol and the Tab.
Mr Clifford
Your statements regarding the Australian industrial relations environment are not correct. Statistics confirm that in the past two decades under both Conservative and Labour Government legislation, the incidence of labour strikes has significantly declined:
ABS Statistics:
It is time Qantas re-engaged it's staff with the intention of reaching equitable industrial relations solutions in an environment of mutual compromise and integrity!
Your statements regarding the Australian industrial relations environment are not correct. Statistics confirm that in the past two decades under both Conservative and Labour Government legislation, the incidence of labour strikes has significantly declined:
ABS Statistics:
- For the March quarter 2011, there were 37 disputes, 33 fewer than in the December quarter 2010.
- The number of employees involved in industrial disputes in the March quarter 2011 was 11,100, a decrease from 17,000 in the December quarter 2010.
- There were 19,700 working days lost due to industrial disputation in the March quarter 2011, a decrease from 27,200 in the December quarter 2010.
- The Transport, postal and warehousing industry accounted for 9,200 (47%) of the total number of working days lost in the March quarter 2011. The Transport, postal and warehousing industry also had the highest number of working days lost per thousand employees (17.6) for the quarter.
- In the March quarter 2011, Queensland accounted for 7,400 (38%) of working days lost.
- During the year ended March 2011, there were 212 disputes, 23 fewer than in the year ended March 2010.
- During the year ended March 2011, there were 117,500 working days lost compared with 149,900 in the year ended March 2010.
It is time Qantas re-engaged it's staff with the intention of reaching equitable industrial relations solutions in an environment of mutual compromise and integrity!
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Follow the Santos example
Folks,
Perhaps the real message for these people was delivered by one of their own (generically speaking):
I suspect that Santos is not at war with its employees and that there is mutual respect between management and the workforce - the result is an industrially stable and productive business. As a Santos shareholder, I am more than happy if a little of my potential return is spent in guaranteeing that there will be a future stream of reasonable returns.
Stay Alive,
Perhaps the real message for these people was delivered by one of their own (generically speaking):
David Knox, chief executive of Adelaide-based energy company Santos, was far more circumspect than other panel members in criticising the government, particularly on industrial relations.
"For us in our history it has not been a major issue for us and it isn't right now," he noted on the industrial relations framework.
"I think the key thing is it mustn't become an issue.
"We have managed through it with productivity gains over the years. I think it is all about making sure it does not become an issue.
"For us in our history it has not been a major issue for us and it isn't right now," he noted on the industrial relations framework.
"I think the key thing is it mustn't become an issue.
"We have managed through it with productivity gains over the years. I think it is all about making sure it does not become an issue.
Stay Alive,
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With ref to H245, it is only being refitted (ie gutted of 747 docking) is to give it to Jetstar for 787 work... 
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Wasn't Clifford the CEO at RIO when they had the big dispute with the CFMEU , from memory RIO got substantial damages against the Union and shut them out of their sites . Mmmm , tread carefully guys .
