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When you board a Qantas flight you expect a Qantas pilot
Better would be:
"When you board a Qantas flight you expect a white pilot with round eyes"
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I'm a fence sitter here as I agree with Bypass Ratio except I was with Qlink so was in the "group" and got no support from AIPA and now they want our sympathy.
I do feel sorry for the junior guys who have to put up with the stuffed shirts in the LHS of internationals (Domestic was usually more sympathetic).
Go VB at least they are sort of Aussie.
BTW Qf pulled out of Beijing and Beijing to Melbourne is going to be done by Jet* Thailand.
I do feel sorry for the junior guys who have to put up with the stuffed shirts in the LHS of internationals (Domestic was usually more sympathetic).
Go VB at least they are sort of Aussie.
BTW Qf pulled out of Beijing and Beijing to Melbourne is going to be done by Jet* Thailand.
For God's sake, some of you guys must struggle to carry around the size of the chips on your shoulders.
What does it take for you to realise that this is not about EK vs QF or AIPA vs QLink! This is about the future of well compensated aviation jobs in this country. Who cares whether you got passed over by QF in the past Bypass? I know plenty of other guys who did also. You are a 777 Captain? My congratulations and good on you. Hope you have an enjoyable career. The way that Joyce is running Qantas, you may never have achieved a command here, so maybe it worked out for the best for you anyway.
Bugsquasher - yes AIPA has screwed up in the past. Don't forget that AIPA is who the current COM is at the time. Mistakes were made, but with the current mindset of Qantas management, this is the final line in the sand. You and Bypass both have a stake in this fight too. If you think that Joyce will look after you Bugsquasher if the mainline pilots are taken out, then you're kidding yourself! Look at the ongoing efforts that are being taken to undercut and offshore Jetstar pilots. Qantas management bastardry is the way of the future for aviation jobs in Australia. Bypass, if Qantas mainline pilots get taken out and EK pilots become the new benchmark, how long do you think it will be before your management comes after you?
Walter Kurtz - your post doesn't even warrant a response and takes the prize for sheer idiocy so far. You are a disgrace!!!!
What does it take for you to realise that this is not about EK vs QF or AIPA vs QLink! This is about the future of well compensated aviation jobs in this country. Who cares whether you got passed over by QF in the past Bypass? I know plenty of other guys who did also. You are a 777 Captain? My congratulations and good on you. Hope you have an enjoyable career. The way that Joyce is running Qantas, you may never have achieved a command here, so maybe it worked out for the best for you anyway.
Bugsquasher - yes AIPA has screwed up in the past. Don't forget that AIPA is who the current COM is at the time. Mistakes were made, but with the current mindset of Qantas management, this is the final line in the sand. You and Bypass both have a stake in this fight too. If you think that Joyce will look after you Bugsquasher if the mainline pilots are taken out, then you're kidding yourself! Look at the ongoing efforts that are being taken to undercut and offshore Jetstar pilots. Qantas management bastardry is the way of the future for aviation jobs in Australia. Bypass, if Qantas mainline pilots get taken out and EK pilots become the new benchmark, how long do you think it will be before your management comes after you?
Walter Kurtz - your post doesn't even warrant a response and takes the prize for sheer idiocy so far. You are a disgrace!!!!
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I agree Shark Patrol to some extent, and now that I've calmed down I can also see your point. This is the good thing about these forums sometimes as it makes you think more laterally. It's just very difficult to support the AIPA after being a QantasLink Pilot and also being knocked back by Qantas Mainline. You are right though, I am very lucky to have been knocked back by QF as I wouldn't be sitting where I am now. There is nothing really much I can do other than welcome QF pilots to EK with open arms. I know that your experience would be appreciated. As for Australia, well as much as I love my country and it is where my family and friends live, Julia Gillard and the uneducated majority unfortunately rule supreme.
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Probably a small chip.
BTW apparently I passed according to a friend on the inside, I just worked for the wrong company.
I was unsuitable for Jet* so their requirements must be higher
So maybe the better pilots are flying the aircraft.
I do agree strongly that only Aussies should fly Aussie aircraft but as for QF or Jet* I don't care what logo is on the tail only that if it runs in and out of Aus should be Aussie crews.
Good on AIPA for trying to fix things, but the horse has bolted and they ignored the writing on the wall 10 years ago
As for thinking your alone have a look at other forums around the world if you think other airline managements are any better.
PS if you are suggesting that QF pilots are the benchmark think again, that is a very arrogant remark.
BTW apparently I passed according to a friend on the inside, I just worked for the wrong company.
I was unsuitable for Jet* so their requirements must be higher
So maybe the better pilots are flying the aircraft.
I do agree strongly that only Aussies should fly Aussie aircraft but as for QF or Jet* I don't care what logo is on the tail only that if it runs in and out of Aus should be Aussie crews.
Good on AIPA for trying to fix things, but the horse has bolted and they ignored the writing on the wall 10 years ago
As for thinking your alone have a look at other forums around the world if you think other airline managements are any better.
PS if you are suggesting that QF pilots are the benchmark think again, that is a very arrogant remark.
Bugsquasher,
I was talking about being the "benchmark", as far as pay and conditions go - I would NEVER support the "Qantas pilots are better than everybody else" argument!
Bypass - all the best to you. I would say that indeed many of my present colleagues will be headed your way in the near future - I am already personally aware of a few. I'm glad that they will be welcomed at their "new home".
I was talking about being the "benchmark", as far as pay and conditions go - I would NEVER support the "Qantas pilots are better than everybody else" argument!
Bypass - all the best to you. I would say that indeed many of my present colleagues will be headed your way in the near future - I am already personally aware of a few. I'm glad that they will be welcomed at their "new home".
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Been recieving emails from some Qantas pilots this week , it seems to be a mass send out that explains why Qantas pilots are taking action and asking for support. Not %100 sure who originated it but its come from some blokes I have not spoken too for awhile. I understand the feeling of having an unknown future , its frustrating to work hard and see a good airline not be given a fare go . As an ex Qlink driver I had the same feeling as the company I worked for was wound up and I'm sure your not in that posistion.
If it gets really nasty and you get stuck in my part of the world then there is always a bed in the spare room. Its more help than you guys gave us.
If it gets really nasty and you get stuck in my part of the world then there is always a bed in the spare room. Its more help than you guys gave us.
PS if you are suggesting that QF pilots are the benchmark think again, that is a very arrogant remark.
Well i'm sorry but CX management use a "basket" of "Legacy Airlines" to match and compare our salaries to. For us OZ based guys and girls it is very much QF we are compared to. For the HKG based guys we get compared to BA, AA, QF, etc etc.
CX would like us to be paid similar to SQ, and if QF get shafted in OZ guess which direction my next salary talks will go?
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Nitpicker, if you are flying for CX it is a nice airline, good cabin crew, pleasant food, clean aircraft, on time, and in Y class, seats like rocks. Seriously mate, go sit on one whilst they are still dressing the A/C. I have just spent 9 hrs From HKG to SYD and they are dreadful. It was not just me standing up the back with a sore derriere, it was quite a few of us. I mentioned it to the Cabin Manager, and she agreed, but said nothing had been done. Perhaps a note to your boss, or add to the weight and issue cushions. Now whilst I might sound like a whinger, there was the same complaint from a pax in the travel section of the Sunday Herald. Might just cost you pax.
dreadful. It was not just me standing up the back with a sore derriere, it was quite a few of us. I mentioned it to the Cabin Manager, and she agreed, but said nothing had been done. Perhaps a note to your boss, or add to the weight and issue cushions. Now whilst I might sound like a whinger, there was the same complaint from a pax in the travel section of the Sunday Herald. Might just cost you pax.
Teresa, all of us "front line" staff 100% agree with you mate.
Just like QF our managers never listen to us, if they did then they wouldn't have spent millions of dollars on crap seats. We offered our opinions but were rejected as dumb Pilots that wouldn't know. So different Airline to QF but same problems!!
I do believe a re work of the Y class seats is in the works following negative feedback.
Just think of how much money CX/QF could had saved if they had bothered to seek the opinion of frequent travellers they already employed!!
Just like QF our managers never listen to us, if they did then they wouldn't have spent millions of dollars on crap seats. We offered our opinions but were rejected as dumb Pilots that wouldn't know. So different Airline to QF but same problems!!
I do believe a re work of the Y class seats is in the works following negative feedback.
Just think of how much money CX/QF could had saved if they had bothered to seek the opinion of frequent travellers they already employed!!
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T-vasis, I'm not sure why you continue to hang around professional pilot rumour forums.
Did you secretly want to be one?
Go back to counting beans or whatever your boring role is...
Did you secretly want to be one?
Go back to counting beans or whatever your boring role is...
First of all AIPA wanted solidarity with all QF group pilots,now they are demanding that they should be flying the aircraft. What about the passengers who pay for services operated by QF link and Cobham, are they receiving a lower standard?
The campaign comes across as a little elitist sorry to say, maybe they need to acknowledge that they would be in the job if the whole operation wasn't so costly. This will affect everyone(TWU,ALAEA,AIPA) it just convenient that you guys have decided to escalate the conflict, the result is now AIPA have been singled out.
The company is transforming, PIA unfortunately will accelerate the change.
Isn't there a reference in the company manuals that is explicit on what your PA's can and cannot contain?
The campaign comes across as a little elitist sorry to say, maybe they need to acknowledge that they would be in the job if the whole operation wasn't so costly. This will affect everyone(TWU,ALAEA,AIPA) it just convenient that you guys have decided to escalate the conflict, the result is now AIPA have been singled out.
The company is transforming, PIA unfortunately will accelerate the change.
Isn't there a reference in the company manuals that is explicit on what your PA's can and cannot contain?
I'm not sure T-Vasis is all that wrong by saying
Also I don't think using the PA announcement to get across an industrial relations message is altogether very smart. There's the very real risk in my mind of a backlash from the company and pax. As a pax I would see it as poor form for the bosses equipment and space being used to make a public statement to an audience that has paid to be in that space for reasons other than to listen to that statement. As a pax I would consider the use of the airlines facilities in a situation like this to be cheeky and arrogant thus reducing my sympathy level considerably. A bit akin to using the bosses branded envelopes to post out your CV to prospective employers. Not a good look IMO.
The campaign needs to be, "Aussie jobs kept in Aussie carried by Aussies", making the point that this is only one professional area where this sort of thing is happening or about to happen. Highlight the rumoured FIFO foreign miners and the effect this will have on the average Aussie blokes standard of living.
Joe Public could not care any less who is driving the bus. They want to get from A - B at the lowest price.
The campaign needs to be, "Aussie jobs kept in Aussie carried by Aussies", making the point that this is only one professional area where this sort of thing is happening or about to happen. Highlight the rumoured FIFO foreign miners and the effect this will have on the average Aussie blokes standard of living.
PS if you are suggesting that QF pilots are the benchmark think again, that is a very arrogant remark.
The trouble is, Qantas will have to get its pilots on side before being able to capitalise on such a campaign.
There we are ... Step 1 in re-positioning Qantas as the premium Airline of choice.
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Not good that Clifford is trying link you blokes as well as the engineers to industrial unrest due to inept govt. policy. (The Australian 23/7) The last thing you need is association with Gillard and Swan, that is a death knoll, If the public link you up with them. The only way around that is the safety issue, and only the safety issue, the big ticket item the public can embrace.
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"Joe Public could not care any less who is driving the bus. They want to get from A - B at the lowest price." Ah yes, another gem of knowledge from T-Vasis!
Well TV, if that were the case, people would only be flying with Tiger and Jetstar! I believe my Qantas flight is still going ahead, later this week...
Sorry to spoil that little fantasy of yours... Now, off you go and reboot MS flightsim...
Well TV, if that were the case, people would only be flying with Tiger and Jetstar! I believe my Qantas flight is still going ahead, later this week...
Sorry to spoil that little fantasy of yours... Now, off you go and reboot MS flightsim...
