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Once again we gloss over what we dont want to acknowledge and focus on what makes us feel good.
If everyone practiced what Mum preaches, then things would get real quiet on here real quick.
Back to the point.
The "rumour" or "accusation" leveled was that CASA had grounded Jetstar aircraft. I simply stated that was bu!!shi! and that if they had it would be all over the news.
Nothing in anyway in the article indicates or implies any involvement from CASA whatsoever.
If he actually 'heard' a rumour, I still put it to him, it was whilst he was sleeping. I suspect he in fact had read the article and misquoted the content.
Very big difference with even bigger difference in consequences between CASA grounding aircraft and an airline admitting a mistake and rectifying the issue with no cover up.
No hole in my foot, nor is my foot in my mouth. (I can`t find the up yours icon)
If everyone practiced what Mum preaches, then things would get real quiet on here real quick.
Back to the point.
The "rumour" or "accusation" leveled was that CASA had grounded Jetstar aircraft. I simply stated that was bu!!shi! and that if they had it would be all over the news.
Nothing in anyway in the article indicates or implies any involvement from CASA whatsoever.
If he actually 'heard' a rumour, I still put it to him, it was whilst he was sleeping. I suspect he in fact had read the article and misquoted the content.
Very big difference with even bigger difference in consequences between CASA grounding aircraft and an airline admitting a mistake and rectifying the issue with no cover up.
No hole in my foot, nor is my foot in my mouth. (I can`t find the up yours icon)
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What about the other two that where reported earlier (6 total)?
I hope that Westaway's replacement hasn't thrown us and the press a bone to chew on that does not harm JQ too much and left the real juicy stuff on the other two aircraft out.
Just call me suspicious!!
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I hope that Westaway's replacement hasn't thrown us and the press a bone to chew on that does not harm JQ too much and left the real juicy stuff on the other two aircraft out.
Just call me suspicious!!
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A CASA spokesman said the aviation watchdog would check to ensure that Jetstar's maintenance systems are robust.
Of course the right palms are greased, so this will end up under a nice little rug somewhere.
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Sorry metro, what I heard came straight from sources within Jetstar at ground level.
If I read something in an article I'll attribute it as such. I don't dream stuff up to put on prune.
I simply asked for a rumor to be confirmed. Seems to me a light has been shined onto something that needed to be seen.
Seems to me Jetstar were given the option to ground aircraft voluntarily before CASA did that job for them.
Certainly not the same treatment received by Tiger ( not that either operator deserves any leaniency) and I note that CASA continue to 'monitor' the situation
If I read something in an article I'll attribute it as such. I don't dream stuff up to put on prune.
I simply asked for a rumor to be confirmed. Seems to me a light has been shined onto something that needed to be seen.
Seems to me Jetstar were given the option to ground aircraft voluntarily before CASA did that job for them.
Certainly not the same treatment received by Tiger ( not that either operator deserves any leaniency) and I note that CASA continue to 'monitor' the situation
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what you don't get to see
I do not believe the "look at me, look at me, safety before everything" crap that Joyce and Buchanan have started dribbling constantly since being exposed at the Senate Inquiry for what they are doing to the Australian aviation industry.
I wouldn' mind betting that there was an "off the record" call to CASA Airworthiness saying "what if we found this, what are the chances of a maintenance extension?" which came back in the negative, because we all know that the well-looked-after Jetstar employees would have blown the whistle in a heartbeat. When you know the lie of the land in such circumstances, having "never asked the question", you can schedule the overdue maintenance and proclaim to the world at large that you did this
honourable" thing all by yourself, before "confessing" to an understanding regulator that you had a minor whoopsie.
And your reward:
CASA does not believe that there were any serious safety issues caused by the need to complete the tasks overnight.
Sounds like Olivia, Simon and CASA PR having a threesome, doesn't it...
I wouldn' mind betting that there was an "off the record" call to CASA Airworthiness saying "what if we found this, what are the chances of a maintenance extension?" which came back in the negative, because we all know that the well-looked-after Jetstar employees would have blown the whistle in a heartbeat. When you know the lie of the land in such circumstances, having "never asked the question", you can schedule the overdue maintenance and proclaim to the world at large that you did this
honourable" thing all by yourself, before "confessing" to an understanding regulator that you had a minor whoopsie.
And your reward:
CASA does not believe that there were any serious safety issues caused by the need to complete the tasks overnight.
Sounds like Olivia, Simon and CASA PR having a threesome, doesn't it...
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More spin, more ****e. Firstly, if maintenance is overlooked on 4 aircraft causing an immediate grounding then the system is NOT working. Its nice that it was picked up eventually, but that is a corrective action, not the root cause. A problem exists and it is a safety concern.
Secondly, if CASA is using the term 'robust' then that itself is proof that something is amiss. That is a favorite political spin deflection word they love to roll out. Fools.
As for Tiger and its grounding, dont be fooled by the real issues. The incompetent Albanese needs a scapegoat after the senate inquiry, Tiger is it. Albanese and Fort Fumble weild some clout in an effort to detract from the public the fact that the government and CASA have completely lost control of aviation safety. Its an old smoke and mirrors trick aimed at fooling the public. Are Tiger any worse than JQ ?? You be the judge.
Tiger is a dead cub, finished. Conveniently Singapore mainline can pull the money loser out of Australia and Singapore mainline can then come back in a strong 'relationship' with Virgin, something it has been looking for, for a long long time. Then, the ACCC will be happy with the level of competition, and QF will have a strong yet limited competition helping to protect is longevity as a national icon.
Do not be fooled, airlines in Australia do not get shut down or grounded solely based on safety concerns, that is complete bulls#it, airlines are shafted on a politically motivated agenda, safety is not a concern, it is a convenient excuse.
Secondly, if CASA is using the term 'robust' then that itself is proof that something is amiss. That is a favorite political spin deflection word they love to roll out. Fools.
As for Tiger and its grounding, dont be fooled by the real issues. The incompetent Albanese needs a scapegoat after the senate inquiry, Tiger is it. Albanese and Fort Fumble weild some clout in an effort to detract from the public the fact that the government and CASA have completely lost control of aviation safety. Its an old smoke and mirrors trick aimed at fooling the public. Are Tiger any worse than JQ ?? You be the judge.
Tiger is a dead cub, finished. Conveniently Singapore mainline can pull the money loser out of Australia and Singapore mainline can then come back in a strong 'relationship' with Virgin, something it has been looking for, for a long long time. Then, the ACCC will be happy with the level of competition, and QF will have a strong yet limited competition helping to protect is longevity as a national icon.
Do not be fooled, airlines in Australia do not get shut down or grounded solely based on safety concerns, that is complete bulls#it, airlines are shafted on a politically motivated agenda, safety is not a concern, it is a convenient excuse.
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Straight from the source is not a rumour then. It is fact.
If it was a rumour, then you would have been the one who was able to confirm it.
Once again, there is a big difference between CASA grounding an aircraft (a massive and damaging news story)and an operator doing such. Also what is clearly stated is that, if Jet* did not inform CASA of the issue, then CASA probably would be none the wiser until the next audit.
As far a CASA monitoring the situation, I think you are trying to draw a long bow keeping CASA in a story, they originally had nothing to do with.
My foot is still on the ground.
If it was a rumour, then you would have been the one who was able to confirm it.
Once again, there is a big difference between CASA grounding an aircraft (a massive and damaging news story)and an operator doing such. Also what is clearly stated is that, if Jet* did not inform CASA of the issue, then CASA probably would be none the wiser until the next audit.
As far a CASA monitoring the situation, I think you are trying to draw a long bow keeping CASA in a story, they originally had nothing to do with.
My foot is still on the ground.
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Metropolesmoker, are you an FOI, field office manager, one of the Skulls star chamber supporters or one of the RAAF people who now call the shots at Fort Fumble ??
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Metro smoker, I said straight from A source. Not THE source. Hence , it remained a rumor. Albeit, as it turns out, quite a strong one.
Sounds to me like their might be a few inconvenient truths surrounding the Jetstar operation that you, and others like Joyce and Buchanan, would rather not make the light of day and public scrutiny.
You sound to me like most senior managers with the wider JQ and QF group. Nothing bad is ever a result of your incompetence. It's all a media beat-up, or the fault of the employees and those pesky unions.
I take some comfort that the whole Tiger situation, the recent senate report, and these latest admissions from Jetstar ( no doubt the tip of the ice-berg if the truth be known) might just shine a light on what current senior management are trying to do to denigrate standards. Be it through lack of maintenance staff or reduced training standards. All in the desire to save a few bucks to add to a kpi bonus.
Sounds to me like their might be a few inconvenient truths surrounding the Jetstar operation that you, and others like Joyce and Buchanan, would rather not make the light of day and public scrutiny.
You sound to me like most senior managers with the wider JQ and QF group. Nothing bad is ever a result of your incompetence. It's all a media beat-up, or the fault of the employees and those pesky unions.
I take some comfort that the whole Tiger situation, the recent senate report, and these latest admissions from Jetstar ( no doubt the tip of the ice-berg if the truth be known) might just shine a light on what current senior management are trying to do to denigrate standards. Be it through lack of maintenance staff or reduced training standards. All in the desire to save a few bucks to add to a kpi bonus.
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If I remember rightly, the problems Ansett had with the 767's were discovered by Ansett engineering. Ansett addressed the issues & self reported to CASA. I believe these problems were missed inspections on one occasion & a deactivated slide on the other.
CASA's response to the self reporting was to ground the 767 fleet for a period of time on both occasions - Christmas & Easter.
Will CASA be doing the same here & grounding Jetstar's A320 fleet while they investigate the missed inpections? After all, it is holiday time, which seems to be their favourite time for groundings. 2 weeks ought to do it!
CASA's response to the self reporting was to ground the 767 fleet for a period of time on both occasions - Christmas & Easter.
Will CASA be doing the same here & grounding Jetstar's A320 fleet while they investigate the missed inpections? After all, it is holiday time, which seems to be their favourite time for groundings. 2 weeks ought to do it!
