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Old 15th Jun 2011, 20:31
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SECURITY - The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.

Bohica, we are in for another reaming. I'm going to get done twice over since I own a yacht.

What people frequently overlook is that all this security, while justified in the name of fighting "organised crime", provides a perfect basis for control of peoples movements of a sort not seen since the days of the USSR.

While the report focuses on aviation and marine security I would guess it will be extended to interstate rail as well.

At least they finally mention the Forty year old issue of "the little man and his Piper Cub". Drugs have been flown in to the Top End from New Guinea for at least that long.


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Airport and port security is set to strengthen, for passengers and for workers.

Airport and port security is set to strengthen, for passengers and for workers. Photo: Peter Braig

PASSENGERS will be required to produce photo identification before boarding domestic flights as part of the biggest proposed overhaul of airport and maritime security since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States.

The Age believes a report to be released today on the failure of existing security measures to combat organised crime in the aviation and maritime sectors will also call for:

Private security guards who work at major airports to be replaced by a government-trained force.
Thousands more aviation and maritime industry workers - including truck drivers and customs brokers - to undergo further background vetting to get a mandatory security clearance.
Giving a ''suitable'' law- enforcement agency the power to revoke such clearances.
The creation of police taskforces across Australia to target organised crime on the waterfront and the ''hardening'' of port security by introducing fingerprint screening and installing more closed-circuit cameras.

The committee is believed to have identified illicit drugs as the focus of most organised criminality in the aviation and maritime sectors, but says tax evasion, money laundering, fraud, identity crime and high-tech crimes are also being committed.
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The committee's recommendations will provoke a strong reaction from some unions, which have argued that increased screening of workers may breach their civil liberties, and from airlines concerned that the recommendations, if implemented, would cause major delays at boarding gates.

Qantas is believed to have argued against the mandatory use of photo ID, claiming elderly people, infants and people without a driver's licence might not be able to meet requirements.

However, the committee is believed to have rejected Qantas's view and suggests those unable to provide photo ID produce a signed statutory declaration confirming their identity before boarding.

The committee, which is chaired by Labor senator Steve Hutchins, also found ''that the e-ticketing process introduces further vulnerabilities, increasing the opportunity for organised criminal networks to exploit the sector for illicit gain''.

In addition to its call for a joint police taskforce in every state and territory to probe the

maritime industry, the committee recommends ''the formation of a Commonwealth maritime crime taskforce that would act as a national, Australian Federal Police-led ''flying squad'', responding to specific intelligence and also conducting randomised audits of maritime and seaport security.''

The Age believes the committee was provided with evidence by the Australian Crime Commission and other law-enforcement agencies that led it ''to the view that serious and organised criminality in the aviation and maritime sectors poses a very real threat to Australia''.

Last year, a port crime taskforce was set up by state and federal police in NSW under a model that Victoria Police is considering replicating.

The committee's report will pose a major challenge for the Gillard government, whose May budget has forced staff cuts at the ACC, Customs and the federal police. The three agencies would have to commit dozens of extra staff under the recommended overhaul.

The committee is expected to also call for more sniffer dogs at airports and raises the prospect of introducing passenger profiling, involving individual risk assessments of passengers being conducted before boarding.

Other recommendations are likely to include new laws to make it a crime to travel under a false identity and the introduction of CCTV software that enables the recognition of number plates and human faces.

The maritime sector is believed to have been found to be more vulnerable to organised crime than the aviation sector due to the greater volume of goods passing through ports, with ports in Victoria and New South Wales judged to have the highest levels of criminality, according to advice provided by the ACC.

The committee is believed to have found that criminal gangs are using small boats and fishing vessels to import drugs, bury illicit consignments in the ocean and conduct meetings at sea. Police in Brisbane recently discovered 464 kilograms of cocaine on a yacht.

Light aircraft have also been used to conduct ''black flights'' to smuggle drugs from neighbouring countries such as Indonesia and Papua New Guinea.

The committee is believed to have found potential weaknesses in Australia's capacity to monitor small aircraft coming from nearby countries, with an admission by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority that private aircraft did not require its permission to enter Australia.

The report is also expected to examine the role of the ''trusted insider'' working inside transport hubs on behalf of criminal networks.

Such insiders usually have no criminal record and have worked for some time in trusted positions within the aviation or maritime sector.

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You are right - big brother is flexing his muscles so that he can control your every move!!!



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Makes that 'next gen' check in thingo kinda a waste of 'time saving' doesn't it?

Even if they check the id at the gate, it still under cuts the purpose, and hence a waste of time, money and bad pr.
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Well said Sunfish.

Here is my somewhat boring but relevant post put in response to the article you quote from in the Sydney Morning Herald SmartEdition:

This proposal if adopted represents an encroachment on the freedom of people to live their lives without interference from the State. Common law provides a person may adopt and use any name provided it is not for an unlawful purpose. It should not matter if a person travels under an assumed name. I am sure active criminals form a very small proportion of airline passengers and employees. Existing laws provide sanctions for possession of drugs and stolen goods. Police already have adequate powers of search and seizure where a reasonable suspicion of criminality exists.
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We used to have this thing called freedom of movement, before the 1900s there was no such thing as passports or visas. In fact our right to move is enshrined in the basis of all common law, the magna carta

It shall be lawful to any person, for the future, to go out of our kingdom, and to return, safely and securely, by land or by water, saving his allegiance to us, unless it be in time of war, for some short space, for the common good of the kingdom: excepting prisoners and outlaws, according to the laws of the land, and of the people of the nation at war against us, and Merchants who shall be treated as it is said above.
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...and as usual addendum after addendum over the decades has diluted it to nothing. Kinda explains the nanny states we live in now. We supposedly live in the free world, but who's free?
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Now if i was up to no good ,do you think i would have my real licence on me.
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Another complete waste of time and money that will only penalize law abiding citizens. Incompetence and low IQ is a must in the departments where this stuff originates.
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It's just another move toward a pseudo socialist/police state.

The ultimate solution to all this will be to microchip the whole population whereby you positively identify everybody. That way you stop terrorism/organised crime/identity theft whilst speeding up the checkin/boarding process in one go. Easy.
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Exactly..... any crim is going to be using a fake id anyway and it's just going to be check-in staff looking at the id's not pros in recognising fakes...waste of time.


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so what does a five year old use for picture ID?

International flights are easy because of passports.

Boys and girls here comes the national ID card and ID number that was mooted years ago.....

The book, 1984, is actually a training manual for these over-controlling morons.

My friend who grew up in Croatia said even the Commos there didn't have a patch on what's happening here.
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Apart from all 'dem murders they done.
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Not to mention that the real crims and or spies have real ID's that are fake identity anyway. So they will never be caught.
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They can make the rules as tough as they like, the real cunning crims have & will always be one step ahead of the authority. It's the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest! Security is only as strong as it's weakest link, that's where you will find the smartest 'fish' (crims) where they are being 'fed'.
You can build a 100ft high fence that we cannot get over but follow it to the end & simply step over where it ends, there's an 'end' to every level of security & corruption is rife from the poor man to the very top!

God 'elp us for the terrorist/crims won a long time ago, all we are doing now is controlling them!!

ALL security is just a screen in itself, to make us feel warm & fuzzy, no more.


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so what does a five year old use for picture ID?
I was about to ask the same thing!

So if they check your ID at check in. Then what stops you handing your boarding pass to another person before boarding? I know, another ID check at the gate!

That should streamline the process and make self check in unviable.

Sunfish, I gather this is discussion only at this point?
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Committee report apparently, and now Minister Albanese has got his knickers in a knot because somebody leaked the details before it was presented to Parliament.
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Albanese probably leaked it. Ran it up the flagpole to see who salutes.

We are governed by idiots.
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Boys and girls here comes the national ID card and ID number that was mooted years ago.....
What would be so inappropriate about a national ID card. FFS there's so much out there known about us it's not funny. Think about it: how many times have you been asked/demanded of to produce a driver's licence or passport to identify yourself. A simple card would overcome that.

The only people who oppose a National ID card are those who have something to hide. It would, for example, solve a lot of problems such as illegal immigrants/visa overstayers who take jobs away from bona fide Australian residents and Australian Nationals.

Is anyone able to articulate a logical and sustainable argument against a National ID card? I would like to understand an unemotional contrary view.
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Is anyone able to articulate a logical and sustainable argument against a National ID card? I would like to understand an unemotional contrary view.
How hard is it to get a fake ID? Unless every check is going to be electronically tied to a central database.

This is mere security theater. Only inconveniences the law abiding PAX without doing anything to stop the bad guys. Let's say I'm a motivated smuggler or terrorist do I really lack the ability to procure a counterfeit ID card?

During my college days at a US university the going rate for a fake ID was about a $100.
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Here's the price list as of today, I guess inflation has pushed it up a bit
Price for Passport $900
Price for Passport + Driving license
$1150
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