Chile Volcano Plume and NZ Airspace
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Olivia needs a hair tie, a bobby pin or something.
Looks like a scraggy wed dog who just woke up and learned to speaka da engrish.
She still stutters over words. Well out of her depth.
Looks like a scraggy wed dog who just woke up and learned to speaka da engrish.
She still stutters over words. Well out of her depth.
OW! Or is it OUCH?
Will someone, anyone, please tell Olivia that 'schedule' is pronounced in Oz as 'shedyule' and not as she continues to gratingly utter 'skedule'? 
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Would you like a carbon tax with that? Seeing the new tax is on camels breaking wind, so shoot them, I cannot wait to see how the Ranga is going to deal with this!
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Olivia is good medicine for all the metros who sometimes think aviation safety just rains from heaven like manna ! - its a reality check for everyone to have to stop and think how much caution and effort is needed to produce the things we take for granted ( like aircraft falling out of the sky - thats one way to miss an "urgent" appointment).
I'd enjoy her job for a while - Id do it with a wink and a smile....
Worrals - that poster reminds me of a nice antique reprint you can get at the Raffles shop in Singers....somthing like " Singapore - Land of Oriental Splendour..." in that Noel Coward late 40's style. Tally Ho and all that..
I'd enjoy her job for a while - Id do it with a wink and a smile....
Worrals - that poster reminds me of a nice antique reprint you can get at the Raffles shop in Singers....somthing like " Singapore - Land of Oriental Splendour..." in that Noel Coward late 40's style. Tally Ho and all that..
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On ML centre this morning (very early), just me and two Emiratees!
Sadly the cloud hadn't made it in to NSW.
Sadly the cloud hadn't made it in to NSW.
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ash projections.
Clarrie,
start driving, it is going to get worse.
Volcanic Ash Graphics 5
US PACIFIC SIGWX PROG (PGGE07)
start driving, it is going to get worse.
Volcanic Ash Graphics 5
US PACIFIC SIGWX PROG (PGGE07)
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I have to ask, and i'm sure the media will too - Why is there such a variation between the airlines? QF is delaying until midday but DJ was flying again at 7am.
Who is right in the safety vs schedule argument?
Who is right in the safety vs schedule argument?
I assume this ash has gone eastwards around the world, which would be contrary to media reports?
Is fact that it hit NZ first just because NZ is further south and now we're copping it as the jetstreams push it northwards? It must have missed Africa on its way past there.
Is fact that it hit NZ first just because NZ is further south and now we're copping it as the jetstreams push it northwards? It must have missed Africa on its way past there.
All DJ and QF flights out of BNE to NZ cancelled last night.
But off went Air NZ to AKL
But off went Air NZ to AKL
Air NZ have greater faith in the computer models predicting the ash cloud paths and that the ash is infact contained between FL200 and FL350. (Although I see this morning, it had risen to FL370)
No one has visually seen the ash that I know of while flying the Tasman yesterday and today. One aircraft on the AKL-SYD track yesterday, at FL180 reckoned that there was a slight discolouration in the sky to the south, however it would be hard to judge IMHO.. You can't see this ash airborne, it doesn't show up on radar, but only on infrared satellite photos.
(Although today at Auckland, I noticed while looking in the direction of the sun, there seemed to be a high level haze, but one wouldn't say that that is conclusive evidence of a ash cloud)
Most Trans-Tasman traffic has been routed via TEPEK then southerly to AKL, or are staying below FL200.
Whos right and whos "wrong"? I don't think there is a "right" and a "wrong". Air NZ have taken precautions. I'd be interested to know if they have stepped up their boroscope inspections too of the aircraft are flying to see whether or not they have picked up any ash, even though they have planned their flights below the cloud.
DJ and QF probably have less faith in the computer modelling done by the VAAC and have acted accordingly.
IMHO I personally think the ash in this case is more a economic decision than a safety issue. Yes there is a hazard, however is this ash concentration low enough that it won't cause a inflight shutdown, but rather accelerated wear and tear on engine and systems? Is it cheaper to fly at FL180 across the Tasman and operate, than put everyone up and cancel flights?
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I think the difference between Air NZ and Qantas/JetStar is probably willingness to incur extra costs. Air NZ is changing its routes out of the South Island, and flying under the ash, both of which burn extra fuel (I think a spokesperson said something about 10% extra). Qantas and JetStar obviously have more aggressive accountants, and also, of course, NZ is peripheral to their operations.
You know you're old when you can remember when Qantas was a really good airline.
You know you're old when you can remember when Qantas was a really good airline.
