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From The Age today: Tiger Airways jet flew 'below safe altitude'
A Tiger Airways flight is under investigation by Australia's safety watchdog after flying too low into Melbourne Airport last night.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau says the aircraft "descended to a level below the lowest safe altitude" during an instrument approach.
The Airbus A320 had flown from Brisbane, the incident occurring at 9.02pm as it approached Melbourne Airport.
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It's not known at this stage how far the aircraft breached the minimum safe altitude on approach, or whether the automatic electronic warnings of low altitude were triggered in the cockpit.
There were no injuries, the bureau said.
Tiger Airways has been contacted for comment.
It's the latest safety drama to beset the low cost airline, after the Civil Aviation Safety Authority challenged the airline in March to "show cause" why its licence to fly should not be revoked.
The airline's chiefs have been quizzed about the matter by senators as part of a parliamentary inquiry into airline safety and pilot training.
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A Tiger Airways flight is under investigation by Australia's safety watchdog after flying too low into Melbourne Airport last night.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau says the aircraft "descended to a level below the lowest safe altitude" during an instrument approach.
The Airbus A320 had flown from Brisbane, the incident occurring at 9.02pm as it approached Melbourne Airport.
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It's not known at this stage how far the aircraft breached the minimum safe altitude on approach, or whether the automatic electronic warnings of low altitude were triggered in the cockpit.
There were no injuries, the bureau said.
Tiger Airways has been contacted for comment.
It's the latest safety drama to beset the low cost airline, after the Civil Aviation Safety Authority challenged the airline in March to "show cause" why its licence to fly should not be revoked.
The airline's chiefs have been quizzed about the matter by senators as part of a parliamentary inquiry into airline safety and pilot training.
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If you look at Plane Talking there is a write up in more details, its is alleged the A320 descended to around 2100ft AMSL flying south towards Epping to join the ILS for runway 27. Thats around 1500-1700ft agl.
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As with any incident probably best not to speculate (in a public forum) until the lads are interviewed on what really happened.
The 3pm radio news reported that a Tiger Airways "A380" was involved in this incident.
'nuf said
The 3pm radio news reported that a Tiger Airways "A380" was involved in this incident.
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10nm MSA is 3300, and further out 4500' Anyone know the radar lowest safe in that spot.
In the dark and IMC it is one of my concerns punching in a wrong altitude and only myself to check it, but two crew? Yikes
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Jaba, been a while since I've flown that STAR but I recall 2500' as being the cleared altitude when turning base. I don't recall ever going below that until G/S intercept- probably because it's about 2000' above the aerodrome reference point.
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Thanks Keg, it looks like that is where they climbed back up to.
Just a quick look at the various STAR's and up in the NE of the field all the minimum altitudes are no lower than 3000' so a radar lower safe of 2500 is probably as low as you go.
As much as you probably would not hit anything being at 2100' it must be an aweful feeling knowing you came close. I bet some undies were changed after that
Punters down the back all blissfully unaware!
Just a quick look at the various STAR's and up in the NE of the field all the minimum altitudes are no lower than 3000' so a radar lower safe of 2500 is probably as low as you go.
As much as you probably would not hit anything being at 2100' it must be an aweful feeling knowing you came close. I bet some undies were changed after that
Punters down the back all blissfully unaware!
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nkand,
while the MVA may be 2100', the fact that the descent to 2070 is reversed with a climb back to around 2500' prior to GS intercept suggests that the descent was unplanned. It does look like it was holding 2500 turning south initially.
while the MVA may be 2100', the fact that the descent to 2070 is reversed with a climb back to around 2500' prior to GS intercept
suggests that the descent was unplanned. It does look like it was holding 2500 turning south initially.
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Yes but as I heard one expert commentator on the bus this morning:
"I get to fly to Brissy for $69 return, I've never had one problem with them. All these other mobs are just rippin us off".
"I get to fly to Brissy for $69 return, I've never had one problem with them. All these other mobs are just rippin us off".
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That is, indeed, a scurrilous comment. Do you have no shame?
As a thong and singlet wearing punter, who showers irregularly, and hasn't heard of deodorant, I'll take 69 bucks over busting MSA, MDA, DH or whatever else.
Mate, I just want to get there and party!
That is, indeed, a scurrilous comment. Do you have no shame?
As a thong and singlet wearing punter, who showers irregularly, and hasn't heard of deodorant, I'll take 69 bucks over busting MSA, MDA, DH or whatever else.
Mate, I just want to get there and party!
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Generally Epping is a 3000' or above altitude in FMC'S database, and after all there is no reason to be below that as it is GS intercept height. Unless Visual Day VMC of course. ATC will never clear you below 3000' in IMC approaching EPP, after 3000' its cleared ILS approach usually, which means you need to be on the LOC to go lower. Anyway no circumstances are known at the moment could have been anything including malfunction of systems etc. etc.
Unfortunately the report will probably take a year or more to come out!
Unfortunately the report will probably take a year or more to come out!
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Jabbawocky,
http://www.airservices.gov.au/public...MLSR01-125.pdf
looks like 2500' on the STAR to me!
Just a quick look at the various STAR's and up in the NE of the field all the minimum altitudes are no lower than 3000'
looks like 2500' on the STAR to me!
So how did the media get hold of this? I mean, dont the ATSB issue these these type of reports each week, fortnight or something?
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Poppa,
its on the ATSB main page or was when i last checked anyways. I'm sure other major media eg news ltd etc source aviation related 'stories' from Sandilands articles when they lack good stories that will sell papers cringe
its on the ATSB main page or was when i last checked anyways. I'm sure other major media eg news ltd etc source aviation related 'stories' from Sandilands articles when they lack good stories that will sell papers
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If you are on the ARBEY ONE STAR RWY 27ALPHA established 083 from Baker to Paula you are PERFECTLY entitled to descend to 2500' and join the 27ILS at 2500'. This applies if you are conducting the ARBEY or WENDY arrival for rwy27.
This is regardless of day, night, imc, being visual or whatever may or may not be in the box and probably goes to show how "over-reliant" some are on it. The coding in the box does not always reflect the prescribed minima on the relevant charts, but reflects the way that the machine is programmed to fly the approach.
This is regardless of day, night, imc, being visual or whatever may or may not be in the box and probably goes to show how "over-reliant" some are on it.
The coding in the box does not always reflect the prescribed minima on the relevant charts, but reflects the way that the machine is programmed to fly the approach.
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Are you suggesting that they were between PAULA and EPP when this happened? If so they only went 400 feet below. Thats so much better
By the way I did not say ALL charts so thanks for finding the one/s I did not bother to look at. Still looks ugly all the same.
Are you suggesting that they were between PAULA and EPP when this happened? If so they only went 400 feet below. Thats so much better
By the way I did not say ALL charts so thanks for finding the one/s I did not bother to look at. Still looks ugly all the same.