Networks Fokker 100's!!
Originally Posted by DNS
We're they parked on the angle to allow them to be 'driven out' ( hard to judge the wingtip spacing from the photo), or did they require a push back?
Network F100's to head to BNE.
Makes no sense to use Alliance when QF will shortly have their own F100's.
717's aren't due for a few months yet, and once they do arrive, there is still a need for QLink to use a 100 seat jet to allow the Q400 onto more mining/RPT runs.
Try booking a seat to/from Gladstone and Emerald on a Monday, Tuesday and Friday and you'll get my drift.
Makes no sense to use Alliance when QF will shortly have their own F100's.
717's aren't due for a few months yet, and once they do arrive, there is still a need for QLink to use a 100 seat jet to allow the Q400 onto more mining/RPT runs.
Try booking a seat to/from Gladstone and Emerald on a Monday, Tuesday and Friday and you'll get my drift.
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Someone is going to be left without a seat when the music stops in the current FIFO game of musical chairs.
Qantas's newly acquired Network Aviation is starting the delivery of their much expanded F100 fleet. This will greatly increase FIFO competition and ensure continual downwards pressure on the yields of independent FIFO operators, while broadening the offer of Network, which as the recent press release says, will be able to offer QF aligned RPT connections and services.
Skywest Airlines will have an interesting time going forward as two thirds of their $299M revenue last year came from FIFO and the remainder from RPT services. Skywest's substantial expansion into east coast turboprop RPT operations on behalf of Virgin will bring it into direct competition with Qantaslink.
Strategically, Skywest could find themselves caught in a pincer with increasing competition squeezing their west coast revenues, at the same time as Qantaslink commences the inevitable deep discounting of services to existing east coast ports when Skywest commences competitive operations.
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Qantas's newly acquired Network Aviation is starting the delivery of their much expanded F100 fleet. This will greatly increase FIFO competition and ensure continual downwards pressure on the yields of independent FIFO operators, while broadening the offer of Network, which as the recent press release says, will be able to offer QF aligned RPT connections and services.
Skywest Airlines will have an interesting time going forward as two thirds of their $299M revenue last year came from FIFO and the remainder from RPT services. Skywest's substantial expansion into east coast turboprop RPT operations on behalf of Virgin will bring it into direct competition with Qantaslink.
Strategically, Skywest could find themselves caught in a pincer with increasing competition squeezing their west coast revenues, at the same time as Qantaslink commences the inevitable deep discounting of services to existing east coast ports when Skywest commences competitive operations.
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Dodge,
It doesn't matter how commercial arrangements are 'spun' to look appealing. Glib phrases such as 'cost plus', 'revenue offsets', damp lease, wet lease, etc. The devil is always in the legal detail of the agreements and someone always is obliged to pay the price and cost differences. That's business!
If Qantaslink act to protect their market share against any competitor by supplementing their offer through FF enhancements, discounts, increased or adjusted frequency, or whatever other means and the new entrant is denied sufficient customers and therefore is unable to cover their operating costs, someone will have to reach into their pocket to cover the shortfall.
Virgin lost $80Mill last year, which is why they have invited a third party to take this risk, rather than doing it themselves.
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It doesn't matter how commercial arrangements are 'spun' to look appealing. Glib phrases such as 'cost plus', 'revenue offsets', damp lease, wet lease, etc. The devil is always in the legal detail of the agreements and someone always is obliged to pay the price and cost differences. That's business!
If Qantaslink act to protect their market share against any competitor by supplementing their offer through FF enhancements, discounts, increased or adjusted frequency, or whatever other means and the new entrant is denied sufficient customers and therefore is unable to cover their operating costs, someone will have to reach into their pocket to cover the shortfall.
Virgin lost $80Mill last year, which is why they have invited a third party to take this risk, rather than doing it themselves.
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Virgin didn't lose $80 million last year. They just spent a bucket load off money on rebranding, combining all the various airlines they had and are in the process of going business class across the board (ejet excluded).
Also, I have heard a rumor that the ATRs will be operated by Virgin one day in the future, but at the moment they have bigger fish to fry.
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Virgin didn't lose $80 million last year. They just spent a bucket load off money on rebranding, combining all the various airlines they had and are in the process of going business class across the board (ejet excluded).
Also, I have heard a rumor that the ATRs will be operated by Virgin one day in the future, but at the moment they have bigger fish to fry.
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Pilots have clouded judgement when it comes to predicting the fortunes of airlines due to over optimistic expectations and enthusiasm (nothing wrong with that!) We'd all love to dream that there is room for dozens of airlines in Australia operating a myriad of different jets/turboprops providing lots of job opportunities. As The Oracle is trying to point out, the reality is very different.
Once again The Oracle has provided a realistic assesment and expert comment, always look forward to reading his posts
Once again The Oracle has provided a realistic assesment and expert comment, always look forward to reading his posts
Virgin didn't lose $80 million last year. They just spent a bucket load off money on rebranding, combining all the various airlines they had and are in the process of going business class across the board (ejet excluded).
Rebranding, Business class etc is an attempt to head off further losses before they grow significantly which was starting to happen due to the LCC market becoming saturated.
Have virgin put out a profit guidance for this year??
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Another F100 arrived on the 20th with the spotters sites saying another one due next month.
Anyone heard anything further regarding the rumours of some heading over to the east? Have the got crews for these new aircraft yet?
Anyone heard anything further regarding the rumours of some heading over to the east? Have the got crews for these new aircraft yet?
BPA, they are advertising again today.
I thought I saw an advert only about 2 mo ago in Dec I think it was and an ad a few mo before that??
I figured they would be swamped with apps from all the many F100 or similar Jet endorsed high time pilots out there the last time or 2 they advertised for people, surely easy to find maybe 2 or 3 crews per aircraft.
I was surprised to see another advert, thought they would have a computer file full of suitable resumes to pick and choose from by now.
I thought I saw an advert only about 2 mo ago in Dec I think it was and an ad a few mo before that??
I figured they would be swamped with apps from all the many F100 or similar Jet endorsed high time pilots out there the last time or 2 they advertised for people, surely easy to find maybe 2 or 3 crews per aircraft.
I was surprised to see another advert, thought they would have a computer file full of suitable resumes to pick and choose from by now.
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A few Skywest F/O's offered DEC at Network but due to the poor T&C's only one has taken up the offer.
Their base salary is not far off the mark but with no RDO callouts, no productivity & hence no chance of earning more than the base salary it seems it's not enough even with the lure of a quick command. They even have this horrible stand down clause that if they lose contracts or aircraft go in for maintenance it allows them to put you on leave without pay.
If they sorted those few items out you'd probably see a few more head over.
Also heard a few Skywest checkies have been approached but due to the same reasons above they have all stayed put.
Their base salary is not far off the mark but with no RDO callouts, no productivity & hence no chance of earning more than the base salary it seems it's not enough even with the lure of a quick command. They even have this horrible stand down clause that if they lose contracts or aircraft go in for maintenance it allows them to put you on leave without pay.
If they sorted those few items out you'd probably see a few more head over.
Also heard a few Skywest checkies have been approached but due to the same reasons above they have all stayed put.
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Skywest's substantial expansion into east coast turboprop RPT operations on behalf of Virgin will bring it into direct competition with Qantaslink.
Speaking to an F100 skipper the other day, they have never activated the stand down clause on the Fokker, even during the GFC ( they all took a pay cut for a while, like a lot of other outfits ).
I guess the 1 effo that defected from XR will be laughing when he's a skipper in 6 months and flying QF biz class for his holidays.
I guess the 1 effo that defected from XR will be laughing when he's a skipper in 6 months and flying QF biz class for his holidays.
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