Ruckus on Jetstar Aircraft
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I appreciate all the "do the right thing" sentiment, unfortunately it is naive view of the new realities.
The whole point of the LCC model is to break the transaction into as many components as possible over as long a period as possible - in effect, give the passenger the illusion of a cheap flight. Airlines then proceed to claw back the full fare via nickel & diming. It is more profitable for the airline as the costs are lower (Spartan service), yet they end up extracting the same money in other ways out of the customer. People salivate over cheap or free (getting something for nothing mentality) - yet can't see the ultimate cost. It is just a marketing device.
It is perfect for business that do a lot of travel, they have a win here, as they get there the cheap seat, then throw the full fare costs (drinks, meals, non online check-in, luggage etc) back on their employees as a direct cash cost, one than most people couldn't be bothered clawing back from their employer.
I wonder how many passenger actually sit down after travelling & add up the actual true cost of all the air travel components then compare it to the full service price they used as a comparison. I would suggest almost nil. It is a scam, and the poor old sheeple are slaughtered again & again, bullsh!t baffles! Airline management delivers less for the same price (now in components). It is not hard to see why they are going down this road.
So, in short the "cheaper for carry on luggage" won't go disappear any time soon.
The whole point of the LCC model is to break the transaction into as many components as possible over as long a period as possible - in effect, give the passenger the illusion of a cheap flight. Airlines then proceed to claw back the full fare via nickel & diming. It is more profitable for the airline as the costs are lower (Spartan service), yet they end up extracting the same money in other ways out of the customer. People salivate over cheap or free (getting something for nothing mentality) - yet can't see the ultimate cost. It is just a marketing device.
It is perfect for business that do a lot of travel, they have a win here, as they get there the cheap seat, then throw the full fare costs (drinks, meals, non online check-in, luggage etc) back on their employees as a direct cash cost, one than most people couldn't be bothered clawing back from their employer.
I wonder how many passenger actually sit down after travelling & add up the actual true cost of all the air travel components then compare it to the full service price they used as a comparison. I would suggest almost nil. It is a scam, and the poor old sheeple are slaughtered again & again, bullsh!t baffles! Airline management delivers less for the same price (now in components). It is not hard to see why they are going down this road.
So, in short the "cheaper for carry on luggage" won't go disappear any time soon.
Money for jam
The stupid thing is however, if the airlines enforced the weight and size limits, they would reap a fortune in ancillary charges.
Had an instance recently in J where a Y class pax deposited their bag above a pax who was sitting there. Waited until the aircraft was just about ready to close up, then informed CC that there was an an unauthorised bag above him. Claimed a possible security issue.
To the CC's credit, it went straight into the hold (after establishing the pax was in fact in Y), and the performance when the pax discovered their bag not in the locker at the destination was almost better than the inflight entertainment.
At least on that occasion the CC had the cojones to deal with it - on another occasion, when a laden bag fell on a passenger the (blonde) FA basically ignored the injured pax, and it was left to others in the cabin to establish the extent of injury. Less than 5 star airlines tend to be like that.
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Had an instance recently in J where a Y class pax deposited their bag above a pax who was sitting there. Waited until the aircraft was just about ready to close up, then informed CC that there was an an unauthorised bag above him. Claimed a possible security issue.
To the CC's credit, it went straight into the hold (after establishing the pax was in fact in Y), and the performance when the pax discovered their bag not in the locker at the destination was almost better than the inflight entertainment.
At least on that occasion the CC had the cojones to deal with it - on another occasion, when a laden bag fell on a passenger the (blonde) FA basically ignored the injured pax, and it was left to others in the cabin to establish the extent of injury. Less than 5 star airlines tend to be like that.
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I have had hand luggage weighed prior to customs at both NZAA and BNE within the last 6 months and have seen passengers sent back to check in with over weight luggage.
You get all sorts on the aircraft. Got a call from the cabin the other day (after SouthWest had it's sardine can moment) that a "frequent traveller" was not happy with the pressurisation system, the quality of air was not up to standard and we had pressurised too much................
On the return flight we had another chap that insisted he needed to make an EMERGENCY phone call on his mobile phone at 41,000ft as he left something on the kitchen bench...........
Good CC can make a BIG difference. Some I worry about, straight out of puberty and Mcdonalds.
On the return flight we had another chap that insisted he needed to make an EMERGENCY phone call on his mobile phone at 41,000ft as he left something on the kitchen bench...........
Good CC can make a BIG difference. Some I worry about, straight out of puberty and Mcdonalds.
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Bags in the aisles?
There is a opening for a solution.
Bags left in the aisle will run you foul of the CAO's if you are refuelling. An ATSB report could give the company the incentive it is so lacking!
Bags left in the aisle will run you foul of the CAO's if you are refuelling. An ATSB report could give the company the incentive it is so lacking!
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Perfect examples of Screaters on DJ778 today...
Todays first two rows of seats on the E190 CNS-BNE had perfect examples of two Lady Screaters and the "overweight/oversize" roller bags.
Lady in first example puts largish roller bag in locker....strains to get it in... followed by large shoulder strap bag and sits down with handbag. Lady in second example tries to lift fat roller bag but bag too fat to get into E190 bin. Gentleman tries to assist, still no go. Lady sits down with bag on seat next to her. F/A comes along grabs offending roller bag and tries to fit it into bin two rows back. In process her arms weaken and she clunks seated pax with bag. "Sorry about that....". The now "rattled" F/A approaches Lady and says "Sorry, but..." and whistles the offending trolley bag off the aircraft to VB rep. outside.... "Will I have to get that off the carousel ?" asks second lady.... I felt like clapping.
All this for what ? 10-20 bucks ?
Lady in first example puts largish roller bag in locker....strains to get it in... followed by large shoulder strap bag and sits down with handbag. Lady in second example tries to lift fat roller bag but bag too fat to get into E190 bin. Gentleman tries to assist, still no go. Lady sits down with bag on seat next to her. F/A comes along grabs offending roller bag and tries to fit it into bin two rows back. In process her arms weaken and she clunks seated pax with bag. "Sorry about that....". The now "rattled" F/A approaches Lady and says "Sorry, but..." and whistles the offending trolley bag off the aircraft to VB rep. outside.... "Will I have to get that off the carousel ?" asks second lady.... I felt like clapping.
All this for what ? 10-20 bucks ?
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On VB...Costs $12 to buy a 23kg baggage allowance before arrival at the airport. A baggage allowance purchased at checkin will cost $40. You will be happy to know if the bag is taken from pax after boarding it has a purple tag attached and it costs $40 and a trip to baggage blues to pay for and collect the bag upon arrival thus adding inconvenience and hopefully a lesson not to do it again.
During VB's recent Casa audit oversize cabin baggage was raised as a concern so all staff have been instructed to make an extra effort in reducing this before boarding.
You should all spare a thought for the baggage handlers... the maximum weight for a single checked bag is 32kgs which is an international standard. Try lifting this on your knees with your neck bent and "passing" it for 3 meters!!! And then doing it 100 times more in the space of a 30 minute turnaround!
During VB's recent Casa audit oversize cabin baggage was raised as a concern so all staff have been instructed to make an extra effort in reducing this before boarding.
You should all spare a thought for the baggage handlers... the maximum weight for a single checked bag is 32kgs which is an international standard. Try lifting this on your knees with your neck bent and "passing" it for 3 meters!!! And then doing it 100 times more in the space of a 30 minute turnaround!
After a baggage mishap at Melbourne Airport yesterday, some JQ & QF flights arrived ... minus luggage. One JQ passenger was quoted as saying:
No comment ...
"We touched down in Hobart and it's freezing cold, I'm wearing shorts and thongs and then Jetstar casually informs us that our luggage isn't there," Mr Arundel said.
