Qantas Staff to Strike ?
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Qantas Staff to Strike ?
Qantas staff vote to strike
Monday, 14 March 2011 Two of Australia’s biggest airports could be affected, as the Australian Services Union Victoria asks up to 1000 of its Qantas members to back industrial action.
Check-in and customer service staff will take part in the ballot which could see Qantas employees walk off the job at Melbourne and Sydney airport, The Australian reported.
Australian Services Union Victorian private sector branch secretary Ingrid Stitt told the source that the union had applied for the ballot to Fair Work Australia this week because the airline refused to agree to the union’s five percent pay rise and increased job security.
''Our members are pretty angry and frustrated that Qantas has even failed to give them a pay offer after eight or nine months of negotiations,'' she said.
In response to the union’s ballot Qantas has called for the union to return to the table for further talks.
“Instead of threatening industrial action which will impact on passengers we would encourage the union to return to the negotiating table,” a Qantas spokesperson told e-Travel Blackboard.
“Qantas has robust contingency plans in place to minimise any impact on passengers should the union process with any industrial action.”
Monday, 14 March 2011 Two of Australia’s biggest airports could be affected, as the Australian Services Union Victoria asks up to 1000 of its Qantas members to back industrial action.
Check-in and customer service staff will take part in the ballot which could see Qantas employees walk off the job at Melbourne and Sydney airport, The Australian reported.
Australian Services Union Victorian private sector branch secretary Ingrid Stitt told the source that the union had applied for the ballot to Fair Work Australia this week because the airline refused to agree to the union’s five percent pay rise and increased job security.
''Our members are pretty angry and frustrated that Qantas has even failed to give them a pay offer after eight or nine months of negotiations,'' she said.
In response to the union’s ballot Qantas has called for the union to return to the table for further talks.
“Instead of threatening industrial action which will impact on passengers we would encourage the union to return to the negotiating table,” a Qantas spokesperson told e-Travel Blackboard.
“Qantas has robust contingency plans in place to minimise any impact on passengers should the union process with any industrial action.”
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Management Problems!
Does the Qantas Board actually do anything?
Why, after between 6 - 12 months of negotiations, does Qantas management need to plead for Ground Staff, Pilots, Engineers, (Cabin Crew next) to "return to the table"?
Does anyone else see the pattern? Why does Qantas not negotiate with their staff in the first place? Is it a management goal to disengage it's staff first up?
QAN Shareholder, do you know the answer?
Why, after between 6 - 12 months of negotiations, does Qantas management need to plead for Ground Staff, Pilots, Engineers, (Cabin Crew next) to "return to the table"?
Does anyone else see the pattern? Why does Qantas not negotiate with their staff in the first place? Is it a management goal to disengage it's staff first up?
QAN Shareholder, do you know the answer?
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Go to the table guys and negotiate HARD!!!!
If I were Ian Oldmeadow I would be sweating at the moment as this is just about to blow up in the old mans face!!
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If I were Ian Oldmeadow I would be sweating at the moment as this is just about to blow up in the old mans face!!
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why would Oldmeadow give a toss, he's loaded and old. This is
Just his way of keeping entertained. The longer it drags on
The better his social life and no need to cook. The money for him
Is just a side effect.
Just his way of keeping entertained. The longer it drags on
The better his social life and no need to cook. The money for him
Is just a side effect.
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What these managers at Qantas and Jetstar don't seem to realise is that your employees are your most valuable asset. You look after them and they'll look after you. This mentality of wielding the big stick will not work and is only detrimental to a business. One only has to look at the bad publicity that any threat of industrial action generates and the loss of profit this will incur as an example.
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..........this is the same as using "Mixo" on rabbits during the great rabbit plague.
Everybody has been bashed, beaten and bombarded to the point now where ....(like Mixo) nothing works anymore. We have all built up a resistance to the constant spin, lies and crap that "management" have been dishing out since about 1995.
Yes....we've all had a gutful.
Yes....Qantas IR are pathetic
Result......most staff are just wondering around with the "death stare"...wondering WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
Putting people like Wirth on 7:30 Report last week should give everyone an indication of the contempt "management" have of its staff.
Where was AJ?
Where was the Chairman.......who ?
Next they will unleash the 10.80 .........run away
Everybody has been bashed, beaten and bombarded to the point now where ....(like Mixo) nothing works anymore. We have all built up a resistance to the constant spin, lies and crap that "management" have been dishing out since about 1995.
Yes....we've all had a gutful.
Yes....Qantas IR are pathetic
Result......most staff are just wondering around with the "death stare"...wondering WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
Putting people like Wirth on 7:30 Report last week should give everyone an indication of the contempt "management" have of its staff.
Where was AJ?
Where was the Chairman.......who ?
Next they will unleash the 10.80 .........run away
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Best of luck to the QF ground staff and I encourage you to fight on, I dont know about the quality of the union though, they well and truly led us VB staff up the garden path promising industrial action that had never even been filed with the courts and also promised three months free membership to get more involved with the proposed industrial action so I was silly enough to join the union and bam they were taking union dues straight away.
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Bubblehead, perhaps this is exactly the outcome the board are looking for. It is completely counter-intuitive, but all the evidence suggest this is EXACTLY what they are hoping for. They are destroying Qantas to justify its destruction (hint Qantas Sale Act, section 7, clauses (e) and (f), page 13 - plausible dependability).
That is my working thesis until I see evidence to the contrary.
That is my working thesis until I see evidence to the contrary.
Nunc est bibendum
I agree. No one in their right mind* pushes this hard to have everyone all cranky at the same time unless it's a deliberate choice to do so. They want this for one reason or another. I don't necessarily agree that this is about the Qantas Sale Act but given the apparent lack of other motives that seems as good a reason as any.
* I acknowledge that many would argue that they're not in their right mind and I acknowledge Sunfish's excellent work in educating the PPRUNE masses as to the prevalence of workplace narcissists and sociopaths.
* I acknowledge that many would argue that they're not in their right mind and I acknowledge Sunfish's excellent work in educating the PPRUNE masses as to the prevalence of workplace narcissists and sociopaths.
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While we're on the Act, I've always wondered how JQ int'l is allowed to operate, given s.7 (1) (f) (i): that the company's Articles must contain a provision which serves to "prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled international air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i) its company name; or
(ii) a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"".
Now I know that Qantas Airways Limited is an entity in its own right, separate from any subsidiary company (eg. anything named 'Jetstar'), but it is also the holding company for the group - so could this provision of the Act be seen to mean only the actual entity of Qantas Airways Limited, or the group owned by Qantas Airways Limited?
(i) its company name; or
(ii) a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"".
Now I know that Qantas Airways Limited is an entity in its own right, separate from any subsidiary company (eg. anything named 'Jetstar'), but it is also the holding company for the group - so could this provision of the Act be seen to mean only the actual entity of Qantas Airways Limited, or the group owned by Qantas Airways Limited?
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You have hit the nail on the head TD. All the entities have similar name so it is very confusion. Joyce should be asked to draw it on a whiteboard for us!
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QF engineers have filed for PIA too.
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Taildragger - valid observation: the issue however is that the overlay is the IASC route approval(s) which is the instrument that facilitates the JQ offshore backdoor.
While the Act does not preclude Q from owning in part or whole equity in another carrier (also read quasi-franchise), the Q Sale Act has no jurisidction in the awarding of QF's route approvals.
The messy bit is when the 'majority owned' JQ franchisee is deployed utilising capacity on a QF approved route - in effect, there is real propensity for the JQ franchise deal to be even more attractive (particularly to China/Asian carriers) as it becomes a golden passport to access Australian bi-lateral freedoms.
How the Minister for Mascot's IASC can justify the para 4 & 5 criteria - that is such arrangements are "in the best interests of the Australian public" is beyond logic.
The really messy bit however is that Regulators, (including the QF/JQ rubber stamp called CASA), have diminished powers under such arrangements, therefore $afety becomes a low level, if not purely academic priority.
I said previously the regulatory environment is the new slash and burn green field frontier - the new 'panama flag' for aviation.
Under this flag there is no doubt that Australian jets and jobs will continue to be sent offshore. Australian employees and shareholders should be very concerned.
AT
While the Act does not preclude Q from owning in part or whole equity in another carrier (also read quasi-franchise), the Q Sale Act has no jurisidction in the awarding of QF's route approvals.
The messy bit is when the 'majority owned' JQ franchisee is deployed utilising capacity on a QF approved route - in effect, there is real propensity for the JQ franchise deal to be even more attractive (particularly to China/Asian carriers) as it becomes a golden passport to access Australian bi-lateral freedoms.
How the Minister for Mascot's IASC can justify the para 4 & 5 criteria - that is such arrangements are "in the best interests of the Australian public" is beyond logic.
The really messy bit however is that Regulators, (including the QF/JQ rubber stamp called CASA), have diminished powers under such arrangements, therefore $afety becomes a low level, if not purely academic priority.
I said previously the regulatory environment is the new slash and burn green field frontier - the new 'panama flag' for aviation.
Under this flag there is no doubt that Australian jets and jobs will continue to be sent offshore. Australian employees and shareholders should be very concerned.
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The Route Approval is the Route Approval.
This is issued on the basis of compliance with all other laws, including Migration Reguations.
The IASC approval DOES NOT give an approval to circumvent the Migration Regulations.
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This is issued on the basis of compliance with all other laws, including Migration Reguations.
The IASC approval DOES NOT give an approval to circumvent the Migration Regulations.
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Agree totally Kelpie but the dear Minister had better start telling Mr Bird that. ....and we need to start seeking justification of the 'all purpose' paras 4 & 5 of the Minister's statement.
It's happening already and is about to happen even more - we also need to be wary of the 'integrated/cross crewing' provisions used by DJ/Voz/JQ & even QF - more of an issue for CC than pilots but none the less a real risk that is also happening today.
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It's happening already and is about to happen even more - we also need to be wary of the 'integrated/cross crewing' provisions used by DJ/Voz/JQ & even QF - more of an issue for CC than pilots but none the less a real risk that is also happening today.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Immigration Officials (given that they have offices at international ports of entry) will be standing at the JQ62 and return leg domestic gates in Melbourne and Darwin over the next few days to check crew immigation status. For Aus citizens or PR it will not be a problem!!
Fines, jail terms and exclusion periods are significant for breach of Visa conditions.
I took advantage of the 'dob-in' line!!!! I would encourage others to do the same as it is the duty of every citizen to protect our country and our jobs!!
Immigration didn't seem too chuft that it was alledged to be happenning right under their noses, or so to speak!!!
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Fines, jail terms and exclusion periods are significant for breach of Visa conditions.
I took advantage of the 'dob-in' line!!!! I would encourage others to do the same as it is the duty of every citizen to protect our country and our jobs!!
Immigration didn't seem too chuft that it was alledged to be happenning right under their noses, or so to speak!!!
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Qantas has just advertised for ground staff in Darwin on the Career One website. Does this have anything to do with the possible strike action?
Are Qantas preparing to replace staff with new people on 'revised' contracts?
Are Qantas preparing to replace staff with new people on 'revised' contracts?
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ASU and their leader LW , full of p*ss and w*nd do a lot of stick waving but no blows landed in the past and i suspect in the future . Old clerks union Hmm what do you expect.