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Old 27th Mar 2011, 00:47
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Qantas Steels for Fight of Century

Ewin Hannan at the Australian is saying-
'Qantas faces the prospect of strike action by pilots, engineers, refuellers and baggage handlers.'
But when Mr Joyce said, 'the proposed clauses would be hugely detrimental to the commercial operations of Qantas and vowed to stare down an ACTU-backed campaign for job security', the share price bounced.

Place your bets please.

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Old 27th Mar 2011, 01:06
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Yes, one hell of a bind for the Federal government. Support the "multinational" to crush the workers, only to see the tax revenue & superannuation pot "off-shored". What to do, what to do.
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Supporting the 'multi-national' on these issues would pave the way for other industries and organisations to follow suit. This would have to hurt the federal coffers and leave several pieces of key legislation in tatters.

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Old 27th Mar 2011, 02:47
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Kelpie is spot on. The other airlines in Oz will be watching carefully. If Onestar get away with this then the others will follow. Perfect for Tiger. Base is Singapore working through Oz. Will suit VB with the ATR start up too.

Not just aviation either. Mining, manufacturing etc could all follow suit.
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Old 27th Mar 2011, 03:23
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Maybe the Mining industry needs to

The Australian

New analysis by the Australian Mines and Metals Association finds the most recent wage agreement registered for offshore construction workers contains maximum annual pay packages for a four-week-on, two-week-off rostered employee of $423,000 for a laundry hand; $445,000 for a cook; $450,000 for a tradesperson; and $498,000 for a barge welder.
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Old 27th Mar 2011, 11:35
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Capt. Cloudbuster are you kidding? Is that for real? Where do I apply? I am good at ironing uniform shirts, and my sweet and sour baked beans dish is a ripper. please send me info!
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One test as to whether Jetstar is a bone fide separate entity from Qantas is to ask the question ... could Jetstar be currently sold as a going concern?

Or is its operations/finances so intertwined with Qantas that ... they are virtually one and the same?
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Old 27th Mar 2011, 23:19
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From The Australian -
Mr Joyce said the proposed clauses would be "hugely detrimental" to the commercial operations of Qantas and Jetstar.
or should it be, hugely detrimental to the commercial operations of Jetstar?
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Old 27th Mar 2011, 23:20
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Jetstar Group Pty Ltd.

Jetstar is a separate legal entity. It's shares were bought and could just as easily be sold.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 00:06
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Any reference or just a company rumour

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Old 28th Mar 2011, 05:50
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The Twelve Management Principles




1. Clearly state the purpose and mission of your business.
Set high objectives that are noble, just and fair.

2. Set specific goals.
Once targets are set, share them with all employees.

3. Keep a passionate desire in your heart.
Your desire must be strong and persistent to penetrate into your subconscious mind.

4. Strive harder than anyone else.
Work steadily and diligently, one step at a time, never relenting in tedious tasks.

5. Maximize revenues and minimize expenses.
Measure your inflow and control your outflow; don't chase profit, but let it follow your effort.

6. Pricing is management.
Pricing is top management's responsibility: to find that one point where customers are happy and the company is most profitable.

7. Success is determined by willpower.
Business management requires a persistent, "rock-piercing" will.

8. Possess a fighting spirit.
Management requires a more combative mentality than any martial art.

9. Face every challenge with courage.
Be fair and never deceive others.

10. Always be creative in your work.
Innovate and improve continuously. Today should be better than yesterday; tomorrow, better than today.

11. Be kind and sincere.
Business is based on partnerships and must bring happiness to all parties.

12. Always be cheerful and positive; hold great dreams and hopes in the pureness of your heart.

How many has QF got a tick next to?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 12:14
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As far as I know after all these years, the airlines still run on the principle of "you play ball with us, and we will stick the bat up your ar$e everytime. I have no reason to believe anything has changed. They certainly have never read those 12 passages, not in my lifetime anyway.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 15:47
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Pilots / Qantas make peace?

Is it true? Word has it that Qantas and Long-haul Pilots have an agreement re EA dispute.
3% & security clauses. Yes, No or wide of the mark?
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 15:54
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My God,

I've read some outstanding wind up's in my time, but this one IS the cake.

Nice one PIOT board.
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Old 28th Mar 2011, 23:39
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Is it true? Word has it that Qantas and Long-haul Pilots have an agreement re EA dispute.
Given the state of play when the last update was given to crew by AIPA just a week ago, I'm going to call 'bull****' to any suggestion that an agreement has been reached.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 00:29
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It would appear that the entire IR strategy has been about building a parallel offshore airline based around the B787. Once deliveries of the B787 were proceeding at a good pace, mainline would be put to the sword, goodnight & farewell.

However, the calculus has changed significantly post Japanese earthquake. The likely supply chain disruptions to the B787 program are significant. The whole JIT inventory system that is the global supply chain could backfire in spectacular fashion, as Japan is a hub for a huge number of sub-components in almost every piece of technology. Just look at the Boeing 787 supply chain to see how significant the Japanese components are to this aircraft.

The likely delays that Boeing will announce in the months ahead to the B787 program will see Qantas reconsider its entire business strategy and "people agenda".
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 01:27
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Prolonged agony?
What's it to be now,from mis-management?
Death by ten thousand cuts instead of the normal thousand?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 02:42
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PIOT Bord, further, what's your source? Doesn't sound too reliable but I suspect chinese whispers could play a part.
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 03:14
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Keg

My source is a friend of a friend who thought he overheard someone. (Could have been one or two more friends in there). With such a rock solid source I thought I might ask a question on a pilot's rumour network.

I have had an interesting response though. Is there any truth to it? Things have gone quiet in the last few days. Is there a confidentiality clause attached?
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Old 29th Mar 2011, 11:51
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Piot Bord, my previous response probably came out a tad aggressive. Sorry about that. I just don't think it's true and I do suspect chinese whispers.

The state of play from literally 7 days ago was that QF were ignoring the elephant in the room that is job security. Discussions were ongoing over other issues. Given how big those 'other issues' are (scheduling, pattern protection, conditions for new S/Os, 787 conditions, etc) I'd be surprised if it were physically possible to reach resolution on all the nitty gritty in a 7 day period.

That said, I haven't heard anything specific. The few blokes today I spoke to have also heard nothing. On of them is on COM and we talked about YMML holding fuel. I'm sure he would have been spruiking it loud and wide had it gone as you say.

PS: Meetings were scheduled for today and tomorrow and for same time next week too with other 'working group' meetings ongoing.

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