QF to get F100 & consider 777's
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QF to get F100 & consider 777's
Qantas to boost fleet with 28 aircraft including F-100s, 717s and A320s | ATW Online
Qantas said it will acquire 28 aircraft and extend leases on others as it looks to boost its domestic, resources, charter and international fleets. It will also consider the Boeing 777 as a long-term option. QF said the new fleet will support growth and operational efficiencies across its flying businesses.
According to CEO Alan Joyce, the package of commitments will be made up of a combination of aircraft orders and leases, as well as lease extensions. The airline will acquire 10 used Fokker 100s for its new resource charter subsidiary, Perth-based Network Aviation and lease two more 717s for QantasLink as well as lease five additional 737-800s and extend leases on two more for Qantas mainline. For Jetstar, the group will lease 10 additional Airbus A320s and extend the leases on 11 more, plus lease one more A330-200.
“With the domestic market continuing its strong post-[global financial crisis] recovery and growth, the Qantas Group will need additional capacity to participate in this growth and maintain its profit maximizing 65% domestic market share,” said Joyce, who noted that many of the fleet additions “will be directed to this key part of our operations—across each of our premium and low-fare airlines, as well as Network Aviation operating fly-in-fly-out resource charter services in Western Australia.” QF’s intention “from day one has been to grow network, and today’s announcement will increase its F100 fleet fivefold,” said Joyce.
Going forward, Joyce told ATW the airline was “looking at what Boeing is doing with the 777-300ER” as an option for replacing some 747-400s. QF will eventually have a fleet of 20 A380s and nine 747-400s, which will need replacing from 2017.
“We are looking at the 787-9 to replace some 747-400s and also examining what improvements Boeing will offer on the 777 with 787 technology,” Joyce said. “If there is considerable 787 technology in the 777 it could be outstanding.”
According to CEO Alan Joyce, the package of commitments will be made up of a combination of aircraft orders and leases, as well as lease extensions. The airline will acquire 10 used Fokker 100s for its new resource charter subsidiary, Perth-based Network Aviation and lease two more 717s for QantasLink as well as lease five additional 737-800s and extend leases on two more for Qantas mainline. For Jetstar, the group will lease 10 additional Airbus A320s and extend the leases on 11 more, plus lease one more A330-200.
“With the domestic market continuing its strong post-[global financial crisis] recovery and growth, the Qantas Group will need additional capacity to participate in this growth and maintain its profit maximizing 65% domestic market share,” said Joyce, who noted that many of the fleet additions “will be directed to this key part of our operations—across each of our premium and low-fare airlines, as well as Network Aviation operating fly-in-fly-out resource charter services in Western Australia.” QF’s intention “from day one has been to grow network, and today’s announcement will increase its F100 fleet fivefold,” said Joyce.
Going forward, Joyce told ATW the airline was “looking at what Boeing is doing with the 777-300ER” as an option for replacing some 747-400s. QF will eventually have a fleet of 20 A380s and nine 747-400s, which will need replacing from 2017.
“We are looking at the 787-9 to replace some 747-400s and also examining what improvements Boeing will offer on the 777 with 787 technology,” Joyce said. “If there is considerable 787 technology in the 777 it could be outstanding.”
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“We are looking at the 787-9 to replace some 747-400s and also examining what improvements Boeing will offer on the 777 with 787 technology,” Joyce said. “If there is considerable 787 technology in the 777 it could be outstanding.”
So what has changed?
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More lies from the Irishman, Qantas will never see 777s. (not under his current management direction anyway)
Rumour has it since the A380 debacle in November, when AJ pretty much went missing in action and the only information coming forth to the media was from Ms Wirth. The board apparently told AJ to get out there, act like a man and not a Gnome and make his present felt and start promoting the Airline or his contract would not be renewed.
That is why the BS is flowing thick and fast in the media, especially with him being behind the eight ball in regard to public perception of the brand as a whole.
Qantas is on the nose with the traveling public due to cost cutting and the Jetstarisation of the mainline product and we all know it.
The board knows it, the employees know it and AJ will soon realise it when he is standing in the media room alone giving his resignation speech with only the coffee maker sitting in the corner.
Stay tuned.
Rumour has it since the A380 debacle in November, when AJ pretty much went missing in action and the only information coming forth to the media was from Ms Wirth. The board apparently told AJ to get out there, act like a man and not a Gnome and make his present felt and start promoting the Airline or his contract would not be renewed.
That is why the BS is flowing thick and fast in the media, especially with him being behind the eight ball in regard to public perception of the brand as a whole.
Qantas is on the nose with the traveling public due to cost cutting and the Jetstarisation of the mainline product and we all know it.
The board knows it, the employees know it and AJ will soon realise it when he is standing in the media room alone giving his resignation speech with only the coffee maker sitting in the corner.
Stay tuned.
If the A380 isn't suitable for the American runs due to the engines, something needs to be done, and the only alternatives are the 787 (how long is a piece of string), 747-8 (seems too similar but Lufthansa is operating both), 777 (been down that path before) or A340, so what are they going to do?
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“We are looking at the 787-9 to replace some 747-400s and also examining what improvements Boeing will offer on the 777 with 787 technology,” Joyce said. “If there is considerable 787 technology in the 777 it could be outstanding.”
Does he know much about these archaic 777's... They kind of speak for themselves in the technology department...
The 777-300er truely will be old technology by the time QF invest.
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"The 777-300er truely will be old technology by the time QF invest".
In 2001 Qantas bought the old technology 744ER and NOT the 773ER. At the time they "saved" $20m per plane but have since spent another $200m extra on fuel, on a per pax km basis.
Lets just hope they dont go buying the last of the 773ER to save money over the next generation 773ER replacement a/c.
Short sighted decisions that have cost HUGE $$$ over the 20 year life of a plane
In 2001 Qantas bought the old technology 744ER and NOT the 773ER. At the time they "saved" $20m per plane but have since spent another $200m extra on fuel, on a per pax km basis.
Lets just hope they dont go buying the last of the 773ER to save money over the next generation 773ER replacement a/c.
Short sighted decisions that have cost HUGE $$$ over the 20 year life of a plane
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Even though the A340-500/600 might not be the choice of most airlines over the 777, it might better suit the needs of Qantas as spares, training and pilots are very similar to the A330 fleet.
The cost of a temporary introduction of the A340 until the B787 and a newer 777er is at full steam might be an option worth considering.
The cost of a temporary introduction of the A340 until the B787 and a newer 777er is at full steam might be an option worth considering.
The A340 was great news 20 years again. The production line has all but stopped now. Its out down by the 773 in almost every regard. Please dont even suggest it to the Irish clown
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did QF not dispose of some B717's in the past 2 or 3 years? I seem to recall some going to Hawaiian.
I see in today's West that Biggles (aka Geoffrey Thomas) reckons that the 717s are 106 seaters. Must the new 717 business class version.
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AJ is talking about the 777 with some 787 technology. This allows him to put off making a decision on the 777 for several more years.
Your old friends at Emirates are asking their mates at Boeing to come up with a NG version of the 777 - with a big improvement on payload/ange. If Boeing does come up with this plane, this is the one that might interest Qantas, not the current 777-300ER. Emirates want their planes to carry best possible payload on routes like Dubai to San Francisco/Los Angeles, and improved payload would be handy for routes like Dubai to East Coast Australia (when they are not using A380s)
The 777 NG could be the plane for Sydney to Dallas and return, if Qantas is still operaing that in 2016.
Your old friends at Emirates are asking their mates at Boeing to come up with a NG version of the 777 - with a big improvement on payload/ange. If Boeing does come up with this plane, this is the one that might interest Qantas, not the current 777-300ER. Emirates want their planes to carry best possible payload on routes like Dubai to San Francisco/Los Angeles, and improved payload would be handy for routes like Dubai to East Coast Australia (when they are not using A380s)
The 777 NG could be the plane for Sydney to Dallas and return, if Qantas is still operaing that in 2016.
On a lighter note . . .
Qantas boss Joyce grounds his tongue
Scott Rochfort
SMH February 18, 2011
The chief executive of Qantas, Alan Joyce, was careful yesterday to ensure there were no translation errors from his presentation of the airline's half year results.
Explaining Qantas's plans to purchase of 10 Fokker 100 aircraft, the Irish-accented Joyce censored another word from his vocabulary.
He declined to pronounce the full name of the aircraft and would only refer to it as the F100.
Another word on Joyce's blacklist is ''third''. It should be an interesting day when Qantas takes delivery of its third Fokker 100.
Qantas boss Joyce grounds his tongue
Scott Rochfort
SMH February 18, 2011
The chief executive of Qantas, Alan Joyce, was careful yesterday to ensure there were no translation errors from his presentation of the airline's half year results.
Explaining Qantas's plans to purchase of 10 Fokker 100 aircraft, the Irish-accented Joyce censored another word from his vocabulary.
He declined to pronounce the full name of the aircraft and would only refer to it as the F100.
Another word on Joyce's blacklist is ''third''. It should be an interesting day when Qantas takes delivery of its third Fokker 100.
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Dream on, JQ will be a distant memory as soon as the worlds economy takes and upward turn. Back to 6pax MEL - HAMO flights, investors will have had enough of the BS spin on the "true" JQ operating costs and see the operation for what it really is...... a little Irish fairy tale 
Interesting article. Seems a couple years ago Virgin tried to sell the 777s to Qantas. Things would be quite different had this transpired..no?
Profits hide high price of going the distance
Profits hide high price of going the distance
In order to salvage the situation Virgin offered to sell its 777 fleet to Qantas. Industry experts maintain that many of the problems Qantas is suffering today in its loss-making international mainline operations are due to the fact that it did not have any 777 craft in its fleet, but at the time the Qantas management declined Virgin's offer.