Airline performance revealed
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Airline performance revealed
VIRGIN Blue cancelled the most flights out of any Australian domestic airline last year, while Tiger Airways had the most late-running planes.
Qantas had the best record when it came to on-time departures while regional airline Regional Express had the least cancellations.
Qantas flights were on time nearly 86 per cent of the time, followed by Virgin Blue at 83 per cent, Jetstar at nearly 81 per cent.
Tiger Airways, meanwhile, was only on time 72 per cent of the*time.
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Qantas had the best record when it came to on-time departures while regional airline Regional Express had the least cancellations.
Qantas flights were on time nearly 86 per cent of the time, followed by Virgin Blue at 83 per cent, Jetstar at nearly 81 per cent.
Tiger Airways, meanwhile, was only on time 72 per cent of the*time.
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What "Airline" do you work for ROH111?
All your threads (from AFL to Egyptian rescue flights and now OTP) are in some way aimed at cutting VB down. Would love to know what your issue is with them. Its interesting to say the least.
We all know they aren't the best airline in the world but god knows they're not the worst. Perhaps you have some insight? Then again I may be imagining all this and its just the case that you adore QF.
All your threads (from AFL to Egyptian rescue flights and now OTP) are in some way aimed at cutting VB down. Would love to know what your issue is with them. Its interesting to say the least.
We all know they aren't the best airline in the world but god knows they're not the worst. Perhaps you have some insight? Then again I may be imagining all this and its just the case that you adore QF.
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Mr Hat,
Am I lying? Was that last post in the news?
Egypt, did I say I hope QF dont send a -400 with RR's? And what happened?
Lighten up buddy, I try to be balanced. I respect you Mr Hat, Im not cutting anyone down, just posting what I read.
Am I lying? Was that last post in the news?
Egypt, did I say I hope QF dont send a -400 with RR's? And what happened?
Lighten up buddy, I try to be balanced. I respect you Mr Hat, Im not cutting anyone down, just posting what I read.
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Have flown on about 20 domestic sectors in the last twelve months all except for 3 have been with VB, only 3 flights have been on time and only one of those was VB!
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Stats compared for an interesting perspective:
1. Cityrail, Melbourne Metro (& Yarra Trams for that matter) all have better OTP than any of the carriers......
2. the OTP of the trains has (and will no doubt do it again) actually sink a State Government.
3. Shame isn't it that the same govt focus doesn't happen with aviation - not just with OTP but also safety
That said, OTP is a B.S. performance measure - the JQ delay-canx-renumber shufle, the pass the parcel game for assigning delay responsibility etc etc all is so far removed from the real performance indicator ....will I ARRIVE on time.
Let's face it if the aviation industry is serious about measuring performance then OTA is the ONLY benchmark...but that might look even worse for the govt!
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1. Cityrail, Melbourne Metro (& Yarra Trams for that matter) all have better OTP than any of the carriers......
2. the OTP of the trains has (and will no doubt do it again) actually sink a State Government.
3. Shame isn't it that the same govt focus doesn't happen with aviation - not just with OTP but also safety
That said, OTP is a B.S. performance measure - the JQ delay-canx-renumber shufle, the pass the parcel game for assigning delay responsibility etc etc all is so far removed from the real performance indicator ....will I ARRIVE on time.
Let's face it if the aviation industry is serious about measuring performance then OTA is the ONLY benchmark...but that might look even worse for the govt!
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VB's cancellation rate would not have had anything to do with 11 days of ticketing SNAFU caused by an incompetent outsourcing company would it?
The stats are all available by the month or anually on the BTRE site.
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The compilation of OTP stats is a waste of time,resources and money.
Australian aviation is not an even playing field for a number of reasons including;
Australian aviation is not an even playing field for a number of reasons including;
- Different fleet sizes ( e.g QF vs DJ )
- Different fleet types
- Different ports
- Different turnaround Precision Timing Schedules
- Aerobridges for some operators and stand-off for others
- Different methods for recording OTP, some use pilot call back and some use ACARS
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Some interesting numbers will come out when VB starts using ACARS.
I am not an ACARS electronic whizz but I believe that the ACARS message system can be set for either 'brakes release' on the aircraft or when the nose wheels first rolls during pushback. If that is the case and you set the ACARS for 'nose wheel roll' then you are pretty much stuffed when it comes to fudging the system. Mind you, when the ACARS system is down and you have to revert back to manual 'off blocks' reporting you can then call the aircraft 'off blocks' and on time even if it is a few minutes late, easy.But again, if Ops send the aircraft a message to confirm the Pilot's off blocks call and he reports different to the ground despatcher then you are busted !
All part of the game.
It's not fudging...
If your doors are closed and you're ready to go "on time" then release the brakes to record an on-time departure. Ground staff are happy with that outcome too!!!
If your "taxi time" either side of "airborne" and "landed" is longer then so be it; the company's statistics on average times for sectors (airborne time and blocks times) can be used to enhance schedule integrity with accuracy. They can look at all the reasons: wx, ATC, routing, seasonal variations, gate assignment, aircraft type.... yada yada
In the end, a company can look better in it's OTP when it's schedules are not set by some desk jock who's blindly adding ten minutes of "taxi" to last year's "flight times" to arrive at the published (impossible) timetable...
If your "taxi time" either side of "airborne" and "landed" is longer then so be it; the company's statistics on average times for sectors (airborne time and blocks times) can be used to enhance schedule integrity with accuracy. They can look at all the reasons: wx, ATC, routing, seasonal variations, gate assignment, aircraft type.... yada yada
In the end, a company can look better in it's OTP when it's schedules are not set by some desk jock who's blindly adding ten minutes of "taxi" to last year's "flight times" to arrive at the published (impossible) timetable...
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Fudge factory
If your doors are closed and you're ready to go "on time" then release the brakes to record an on-time departure. Ground staff are happy with that outcome too!!!
Each airline has its individual procedures and i'm certainly not against performing 'creative accounting' to see the tin out on time. Less paperwork for the Depsatcher and Pilot.
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The compilation of OTP stats is a waste of time,resources and money.
Australian aviation is not an even playing field for a number of reasons including;
Different fleet sizes ( e.g QF vs DJ )
Different fleet types
Different ports
Different turnaround Precision Timing Schedules
Aerobridges for some operators and stand-off for others
Different methods for recording OTP, some use pilot call back and some use ACARS
Just to name a few differences. So basically the released stats are a load of bollocks that don't paint an accurate picture.
Australian aviation is not an even playing field for a number of reasons including;
Different fleet sizes ( e.g QF vs DJ )
Different fleet types
Different ports
Different turnaround Precision Timing Schedules
Aerobridges for some operators and stand-off for others
Different methods for recording OTP, some use pilot call back and some use ACARS
Just to name a few differences. So basically the released stats are a load of bollocks that don't paint an accurate picture.
Qantas operating the amount of domestic flights per day vs Virgin Blue, you'd expect the smaller carrier to have better performance i.e. less things to potentially go wrong. Where the airlines fly to is their choice. If their PTS isn't performing how it should then that's their problem. Whether they pay for remote stands or not is again their choice.
Well done to Qantas for their performance, why try constantly knock them down when this is clearly a great effort?
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Nice one Cactus....I resemble those comments
You're right about comparing Apples with Oranges re: OTP.
"Management" bang on about it incessantly -yawn.
Perth is a case in point. How the hell can any airline get a consistent level of OTP with the way that WAC run the joint and with the runway config.???
At the end of the day....if the aircraft arrives on time or earlier then the punter gets off happy. Game Over
You're right about comparing Apples with Oranges re: OTP.
"Management" bang on about it incessantly -yawn.
Perth is a case in point. How the hell can any airline get a consistent level of OTP with the way that WAC run the joint and with the runway config.???
At the end of the day....if the aircraft arrives on time or earlier then the punter gets off happy. Game Over
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Nice one Cactus....I resemble those comments
So much for free speach, especially when compared with some other crap posted every day.
And my resposne also to CabinCrew747 was basically to stop being a sook also. I wasn't having a shot at QF, I was defending the airlines when I say that the OTP stats are not based upon an even playing field due to the different fleet sizes, aircraft type, ports that the airline flies to etc etc.
Now, I am off for a cup of tea, would the MODS like me to make them a cuppa while I am at it, to prove I am such a nice guy??
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Another cactus moment of truth
Ah Cactus sad I missed it mate.
Unfortunately ROH111 is right. VB's OTP is dismal compared to what it used to be. We used to beat QF and J* every month. The figures will get worse when ACARS comes.
All the A. David emails won't fix it (has he gone yet?). You've got to be fair dinkum about it if you really want to solve it.
Let me ask how many times you are ready to go early and there is no one on a headset. Or a cargo door is still open. Its over and over again. That minute that it takes for old mate to chuck his headset on is usually what costs us 10 minutes while the rival has just requested his pushback. Strangely enough their schedule is identical (hardly a cold war secret) so the probability of us asking for a push at the same time is fairly high.
To me the fudging and lying is just the whole problem. How bout tell it like it is Cactus style: "Bloggs didn't have his **** together then f'd about talking to the ground staff about his holiday etc".
Personally I reckon it might be time for autoboarding as unpopular as it is but how many times its -12 and i still haven't seen one person and we've given the thumbs up as soon as we walked in?
Unfortunately ROH111 is right. VB's OTP is dismal compared to what it used to be. We used to beat QF and J* every month. The figures will get worse when ACARS comes.
All the A. David emails won't fix it (has he gone yet?). You've got to be fair dinkum about it if you really want to solve it.
Let me ask how many times you are ready to go early and there is no one on a headset. Or a cargo door is still open. Its over and over again. That minute that it takes for old mate to chuck his headset on is usually what costs us 10 minutes while the rival has just requested his pushback. Strangely enough their schedule is identical (hardly a cold war secret) so the probability of us asking for a push at the same time is fairly high.
To me the fudging and lying is just the whole problem. How bout tell it like it is Cactus style: "Bloggs didn't have his **** together then f'd about talking to the ground staff about his holiday etc".
Personally I reckon it might be time for autoboarding as unpopular as it is but how many times its -12 and i still haven't seen one person and we've given the thumbs up as soon as we walked in?