Jetstar response to: How Australian is Jetstar?
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Jetstar response: How Australian is Jetstar?
A lot has been said of the cadets and foreign bases. Here is a pretty rare official insight/response to the article from
How Australian is Jetstar? | Article | The Punch from a few days ago.
Simon Westaway, Head of Corporate Relations, Jetstar says:
02:18pm | 23/12/10
It is disappointing that AIPA continues to promote a series of mistruths around our operations.
Why we are rapidly growing our business and our brand across Asia?Because Asia is today the world’s largest and fastest growing aviation market, and it is where Australia’s primary economic links and future lies.
Our long declared pan-Asian strategy is a unique strategy – and no other Australian airline has taken this approach to growth by building an airline business across Asia.
We are already a true pan-Asian regional airline. By example this means we are now the largest low cost airline in the region
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Practically speaking, this means flying within Australia and New Zealand and from both these countries into numerous Asian destinations (currently numbering 52) and increasingly flying between Asian countries served from our large Singaporean hub.
There is nothing artificial about it. We are growing sustainably but quickly throughout Asia because that is where the fast growing markets are - and therefore we need Asian operational bases, and Asian-based aircraft and crews.
Quite obviously, Asia genuinely presents opportunities for Jetstar employees, no matter where they are currently based, including those based here in Australia.
The often stated AIPA position is that current Australian pilots taking up a future opportunity in Singapore will receive substandard pay rates.
This is wrong. Our pilots based in Singapore can achieve a better take home pay in comparison to our Australian pilots.
Jetstar offers our pilots the opportunity to participate in both current and future international growth.By example in recent times we have offered over 20 additional Command (Captain) positions for our Australian operations – linked to our strong growth during this financial year - delivering significant remuneration benefits and career escalation for these individuals under our collective agreement.
Since June 2010 Jetstar has had a Cadet Pilot scheme delivered by Oxford Aviation Academy (operations based in Melbourne) and CTC Aviation Group (operations based in Hamilton, NZ), two world leading Pilot training suppliers.
The Program and ‘partnership’ complements Jetstar’s other pilot recruitment activity and will assist in some of the supply of our airline’s future requirements initially for A320 pilots.
Cadet Pilots are a proven pathway around the world, and they offered tailored training and a consistent set of operational standards.
And it has been specifically tailored, through these suppliers, to deliver well trained pilots into a career flying modern jet aircraft.
Jetstar’s Cadet Pilot Program provides deep training on a standard operating procedure with Jetstar, delivering a consistency in approach in terms of high skill training and development into a commercial airline pilot.
And it is this standard operating procedure and ‘consistency in approach’ to flying operations, safety and application, that will in the future deliver even higher safety outcomes.
In total Jetstar Cadet Pilots receive 1000 hours of training and close supervisory flying, followed by 18 months of further close supervision.
Notably the Jetstar Advanced Cadet Pilot Program will directly access Pilots with significant experience of up to 1500 hours and in a majority of cases at least above 500 hours prior to entry into the Program.
Our as mentioned conservative approach will see Cadet entrants receive about twice as much training as the industry norm.
So it is simply not representative or meaningful to imply ab initio pilots receive “200 hours training”.
For the record Jetstar has currently not offered employment to any of our existing Cadet Pilots in Australia – as our existing small group of Cadets are currently employed by Jetstar New Zealand.
When Jetstar does offer contracts to Cadets in Australia, the contract will either need be our Pilot EBA or an alternative arrangement in accordance with modern award provisions.
Those Cadet Pilots who have now joined our workforce have an exciting and rewarding career ahead of them with very realistic promotion opportunities based on merit and time in service.
In conclusion, the alternative to our pan-Asian strategy is we leave these Asian markets to existing and future foreign competitors.
This will mean less growth, fewer jobs, fewer career opportunities, and over the longer term, a more vulnerable Jetstar.
For Australian pilots, our expansion is about more opportunity and more jobs not fewer.
David Hall
CEO – Australia / New Zealand, Jetstar
How Australian is Jetstar? | Article | The Punch from a few days ago.
Simon Westaway, Head of Corporate Relations, Jetstar says:
02:18pm | 23/12/10
It is disappointing that AIPA continues to promote a series of mistruths around our operations.
Why we are rapidly growing our business and our brand across Asia?Because Asia is today the world’s largest and fastest growing aviation market, and it is where Australia’s primary economic links and future lies.
Our long declared pan-Asian strategy is a unique strategy – and no other Australian airline has taken this approach to growth by building an airline business across Asia.
We are already a true pan-Asian regional airline. By example this means we are now the largest low cost airline in the region
.
Practically speaking, this means flying within Australia and New Zealand and from both these countries into numerous Asian destinations (currently numbering 52) and increasingly flying between Asian countries served from our large Singaporean hub.
There is nothing artificial about it. We are growing sustainably but quickly throughout Asia because that is where the fast growing markets are - and therefore we need Asian operational bases, and Asian-based aircraft and crews.
Quite obviously, Asia genuinely presents opportunities for Jetstar employees, no matter where they are currently based, including those based here in Australia.
The often stated AIPA position is that current Australian pilots taking up a future opportunity in Singapore will receive substandard pay rates.
This is wrong. Our pilots based in Singapore can achieve a better take home pay in comparison to our Australian pilots.
Jetstar offers our pilots the opportunity to participate in both current and future international growth.By example in recent times we have offered over 20 additional Command (Captain) positions for our Australian operations – linked to our strong growth during this financial year - delivering significant remuneration benefits and career escalation for these individuals under our collective agreement.
Since June 2010 Jetstar has had a Cadet Pilot scheme delivered by Oxford Aviation Academy (operations based in Melbourne) and CTC Aviation Group (operations based in Hamilton, NZ), two world leading Pilot training suppliers.
The Program and ‘partnership’ complements Jetstar’s other pilot recruitment activity and will assist in some of the supply of our airline’s future requirements initially for A320 pilots.
Cadet Pilots are a proven pathway around the world, and they offered tailored training and a consistent set of operational standards.
And it has been specifically tailored, through these suppliers, to deliver well trained pilots into a career flying modern jet aircraft.
Jetstar’s Cadet Pilot Program provides deep training on a standard operating procedure with Jetstar, delivering a consistency in approach in terms of high skill training and development into a commercial airline pilot.
And it is this standard operating procedure and ‘consistency in approach’ to flying operations, safety and application, that will in the future deliver even higher safety outcomes.
In total Jetstar Cadet Pilots receive 1000 hours of training and close supervisory flying, followed by 18 months of further close supervision.
Notably the Jetstar Advanced Cadet Pilot Program will directly access Pilots with significant experience of up to 1500 hours and in a majority of cases at least above 500 hours prior to entry into the Program.
Our as mentioned conservative approach will see Cadet entrants receive about twice as much training as the industry norm.
So it is simply not representative or meaningful to imply ab initio pilots receive “200 hours training”.
For the record Jetstar has currently not offered employment to any of our existing Cadet Pilots in Australia – as our existing small group of Cadets are currently employed by Jetstar New Zealand.
When Jetstar does offer contracts to Cadets in Australia, the contract will either need be our Pilot EBA or an alternative arrangement in accordance with modern award provisions.
Those Cadet Pilots who have now joined our workforce have an exciting and rewarding career ahead of them with very realistic promotion opportunities based on merit and time in service.
In conclusion, the alternative to our pan-Asian strategy is we leave these Asian markets to existing and future foreign competitors.
This will mean less growth, fewer jobs, fewer career opportunities, and over the longer term, a more vulnerable Jetstar.
For Australian pilots, our expansion is about more opportunity and more jobs not fewer.
David Hall
CEO – Australia / New Zealand, Jetstar
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This is wrong. Our pilots based in Singapore can achieve a better take home pay in comparison to our Australian pilots.
The current JQ cadets are on illegal NZ contracts as are I suspect all other JQ pilots and those working for Jetconnect. JQ cadets are paid by the Scheduled block hour and not even actual block hours at a rate of pay equivalent to a single piston driver. They are guaranteed just 12 scheduled hours flying per week averaged over 3 months yet are expected to be rostered up to the flight and duty limits. What JQ ignored is that the Minimum Wage Act in NZ requires employees to be paid at least the minimum wage for ALL HOURS WORKED. So that is paid by duty time and not by flight time or scheduled flight time.
I did post a more in depth history of these illegal NZ contracts but the mods took it upon themselves to remove it!!
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Cadet Pilots are a proven pathway around the world
In conclusion, the alternative to our pan-Asian strategy is we leave these Asian markets to existing and future foreign competitors.
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You are correct, they are exploiting the fact that the two sets of legislation are not linked and they can pick and choose whichever suit them. Those flying VH registration aircraft in commercial operations is the responsibility of the aus government and necessarily need to hold CASA ICAO licenses and ratings and should therefore have to satisfy immigration requirements of this country, otherwise it is a 'back door'.
Immigration requirements in Aus are in part enacted to ensure that Aus jobs go to australian citizens and residents so that the country can grow sustainably. Pilots of vh reg aircraft paying taxes to NZ And Singapore does not achieve this.
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You are correct, they are exploiting the fact that the two sets of legislation are not linked and they can pick and choose whichever suit them. Those flying VH registration aircraft in commercial operations is the responsibility of the aus government and necessarily need to hold CASA ICAO licenses and ratings and should therefore have to satisfy immigration requirements of this country, otherwise it is a 'back door'.
Immigration requirements in Aus are in part enacted to ensure that Aus jobs go to australian citizens and residents so that the country can grow sustainably. Pilots of vh reg aircraft paying taxes to NZ And Singapore does not achieve this.
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1000 hrs of training ? So I take it he's counting every hour of ground training because otherwise I'm pretty confident i can call him a liar .
And yes, they will be liable for Australian tax, this debacle has been well enough publisised that I am sure the ATO are aware of it.
And yes, they will be liable for Australian tax, this debacle has been well enough publisised that I am sure the ATO are aware of it.
Our long declared pan-Asian strategy is a unique strategy – and no other Australian airline has taken this approach to growth by building an airline business across Asia.
...And as soon as Asia has no further use for Qantas money, you will be eased out.
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Yes the 1,000 hours does include all the ground theory training. Westaway just relies on the ignorance of the public to believe otherwise.
This spin doctoring needs to be exposed in the public domain!!
Yes the 1,000 hours does include all the ground theory training. Westaway just relies on the ignorance of the public to believe otherwise.
This spin doctoring needs to be exposed in the public domain!!
welcome to the global village. I don't see you asking how Australian are mining companies [or the Federal Govt at Embassies] that employ local labour in their various overseas enterprises....
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that is a totally different situation.
The Australian government are not responsible for overseas mines. They are responsible for VH registered aircraft wherever they are.
If JQ was to re-register their SG based aircraft in Singapore there would not be a problem as they would be an entirely foreign airline to do as they wish with no responsibility on the Australian government.
that is a totally different situation.
The Australian government are not responsible for overseas mines. They are responsible for VH registered aircraft wherever they are.
If JQ was to re-register their SG based aircraft in Singapore there would not be a problem as they would be an entirely foreign airline to do as they wish with no responsibility on the Australian government.
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this debacle has been well enough publisised that I am sure the ATO are aware of it.
This spin doctoring needs to be exposed in the public domain!!
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When Jetstar does offer contracts to Cadets in Australia, the contract will either need be our Pilot EBA or an alternative arrangement in accordance with modern award provisions.
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I guess it is just emphasizing that they will not be employed by what we currently recognize as the company known as Jetstar Australia. Otherwise they would be bound by the EBA.
It will be interesting to see whether that will be the case - I hope so as it will mean that the cadets should receive an approx. 100% increase to their NZ package. ....unless of course they follow the example of National Jet!!!
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It will be interesting to see whether that will be the case - I hope so as it will mean that the cadets should receive an approx. 100% increase to their NZ package. ....unless of course they follow the example of National Jet!!!
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Great you mention mining - maybe commensurate wages..like to see how the miners would cope if we brought in some third world workers on $42000 and then reduce the full wage workers' opportunities. That might make the news!
Similar to what Jetstar do with International Flight attendants to a certain extent.
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Mr Hat..
I am puzzled about your issues with the ATO, Non citizen for tax etc. There are literally 1000s of Autralians living in SIN for Australian companies being paid in Australian $ into Australian bank accounts whom are None residents for tax purposes. Its common.
While there many pros and cons in being a “None Resident” for tax reasons they should be investigated to see what best suites the individual… Its not all bad.
If you are referring to the Tax law changed by Labor under Rudd. It did not affect the expats one bit. (once it was fully understood)
Thats exactly what I am hearing is going to happen to the 787. The amount of OZ based Jet* managers (over 12) in SIN over the last few months has to be more than an Audit.
This is wrong. Our pilots based in Singapore can achieve a better take home pay in comparison to our Australian pilots.
Yes if they are prepared to take the risk of being considered an Australian resident for tax purposes. If the ATO catches then out and they are on their own. Simon and David you missed that bit!!
Yes if they are prepared to take the risk of being considered an Australian resident for tax purposes. If the ATO catches then out and they are on their own. Simon and David you missed that bit!!
this debacle has been well enough publisised that I am sure the ATO are aware of it.
if not give them a buzz i'm sure they happy to hear about it.
if not give them a buzz i'm sure they happy to hear about it.
While there many pros and cons in being a “None Resident” for tax reasons they should be investigated to see what best suites the individual… Its not all bad.
If you are referring to the Tax law changed by Labor under Rudd. It did not affect the expats one bit. (once it was fully understood)
If JQ was to re-register their SG based aircraft in Singapore there would not be a problem as they would be an entirely foreign airline to do as they wish with no responsibility on the Australian government.
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Twitter, I'm not the tax expert - not my area, Kelpie raised it.
Neville, well in that case there is the answer.. pretty obvious! Jetstar are on a winner.
Neville, well in that case there is the answer.. pretty obvious! Jetstar are on a winner.
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Anyone like to hazard a guess as to where they are going to employ the flighties for the "Aust" operation from Darwin to Manila.
Clue - they are too expensive if we employ them under Aussie rules.
Second part, do you think they will only be used on Darwin - Manila.
Enjoy !
Clue - they are too expensive if we employ them under Aussie rules.
Second part, do you think they will only be used on Darwin - Manila.
Enjoy !
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They've been employing FA's from third world countries for quite some time. Caught my one and only Jetstar flight last year (only because QF and VB had no flights at a suitable time) Adelaide-Brisbane and 2 of the flight attendants were definitely from a country far far away. They looked absolutely beside themselves with tiredness. I felt like offering them my seat for a sleep. It was very sad. Our government is a strong supporter of sweat shops. Keep the wages down he/she says.
It was very interesting to watch the interaction between the local FA's and the foreign ones. I.e. NIL.
It was very interesting to watch the interaction between the local FA's and the foreign ones. I.e. NIL.
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?Cadet Pilots receive 1000 hours of training and close supervisory flying".
This must have been written by someone who chalks up a "quick read
" of a Zoo magazine as a sexual exploit.
I think he might have been blinded by the experience........
This must have been written by someone who chalks up a "quick read
" of a Zoo magazine as a sexual exploit. I think he might have been blinded by the experience........