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Old 13th Dec 2010, 09:27
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I hope uncle Alan is watching undercover boss tonight and it makes him realize how disconnected he is from the business!
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Old 13th Dec 2010, 11:52
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Perhaps Uncle Alan will make a surprise visit and turn up on SYD ramp in a shi#ter truck and pump some business class poo ?
Or sneak into one of the catering centers and help pack the 'one apple and a cookie' that you receive on a 135 minute f#cking flight to ADL from BNE ?
Or then again he may just pop up on MEL ramp and help change a 767 mainwheel with the engineers ?
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Old 14th Dec 2010, 06:08
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Perhaps Uncle Alan will make a surprise visit and turn up on SYD ramp in a shi#ter truck and pump some business class poo ?
And I might win Oz Lotto tonight but I doubt it.

I wonder about that Undercover Boss after I watched last nights episode.He fronts up for work and hasn't shaved plus no EP training for a F/A.The marshalling in of the aircraft had me wondering as well.

Having someone turn up for work with a TV crew behind you and not trying too hard in the grooming department for a customer service position makes me wonder if it is kosher at all and just not a paid advert for a business.

This entire reality TV thing is a joke.
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This entire reality TV thing is a joke.
A bit off topic, however I couldn't agree more. It's got to be fcuking cheap to make. Most of the "Stars" are free or in some cases probably paying to take part. Come to think of it, it's a bit like how some airlines employ their junior pilots I guess.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 00:52
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I don't think AJ or even GD hates QF.

I think it is more a matter of taking the easier management path.

Instead of improving QF as a product they are taking the minimalist sort of viewpoint and pushing the J* brand giving the punters less for less.

I don't agree with it or like it but this is like a snowball rolling downhill picking up speed and mass.

Can anyone or anything stop it now that it has started.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 03:19
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Wait and see the profit down grade from J*. This year, from what I have been told by some one very senior and in the know, is that the heavy maintenance costs for the A320 will be realised and there is no where to hide it within the Qantas group. Told 50 mill off the top for maintenance. Apparently this is where the 737 is cheaper to operate over the long term going forward. Good phrase. Got it from Julia Joyce!
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Schlong Hauler, this was known right from the start. A colleague had some accountants from the evaluation team in the jumpseat explaining this when the aircraft decision was being taken The accountants knew the A320 was cheaper for the first two years compared to B737, then become more expensive to operate due to higher maintenance costs. This has been baked into the cake from the start.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 10:52
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What will happen, however, is any penalty payments made by Boeing for the 787 delay will be credited to Jetstar. This is despite, according to sources, the original payment/deposit being made from QANTAS' account. This may, or may not, balance the books.

Rest assured. Jetstar WILL make a profit because it has to to satisfy the requirements of:
  1. Attack Virgin.
  2. Stop any other operator from setting up. (well there is tiger)
  3. Attack the union stronghold in QANTAS.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 10:57
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...any penalty payments made by Boeing for the 787 delay will be credited to Jetstar.
Whilst the actual costs associated with the delay are borne by mainline because they have to keep operating the 767 for far longer than originally intended. A nice double whammy to keep up the charade.
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Jeeeesus KEG, even you the eternal optomist, are starting to sound rather sarcastic about said "charade", that is the profitibility of onestar
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 15:22
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Lol. An optimist I may be but that doesn't stop me from being a realist when the evidence points in that direction. It's pointed that way with J* from the outset.

J* was a necessity for the QF group, I just would have liked for it to have been done 'honestly' also.
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He is to busy chatting up Oprah right now. He appears to be in every photo, oh well, I quite like the lady, at least she has a go.
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Breaky Burrito. According to my source, who I can't reveal but is right in the thick of it, is that the heavy maintenance costs for the A320 will be borne by J* this financial year and it will come off their bottom line. He said approx 50 mill.You're right about the long term cost differential however it does not change the fact of a major profit downgrade for J*. The most interesting fact was that the costs can't be apportioned to Qantas.
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Old 30th Dec 2010, 11:48
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Breaky Burrito. According to my source, who I can't reveal but is right in the thick of it, is that the heavy maintenance costs for the A320 will be borne by J* this financial year and it will come off their bottom line. He said approx 50 mill.You're right about the long term cost differential however it does not change the fact of a major profit downgrade for J*. The most interesting fact was that the costs can't be apportioned to Qantas.
My source confirms this info as well.

I always find some truth in the adage 'rats deserting the ship'. In the case of Qantas you only need to look at the volume of managers that have hightailed it in the past 8 months to get an idea of the 'inner health' of the organisation and commonsense tells you all is not well.

A lot of the issues at QF stem from short term decisions made by managers who 'live for today and don't think about tomorrow'. 8 years of this has come to a head, pure and simple. You can't make short term moves that will be a success for 2 years but then turn into a loss after the honeymoon period has ended. This is part of their problem, they have been doing this for so long and it has caught up with them.

QF has decimated it's workforce by giving technical experience in all fields the flick, inadequately oversighting/managing outsouced business sections, and the biggest mistake of all (albeit a complex problem) is - Allowing it's reputation for safety and service implode into a brown steaming mess. Senior people have clearly misunderstood and completely overlooked 2 key areas of revenue. Safety sells seats and service sells seats.

The level of arrogance and unjustifiable salaries is a further display of either stupidity or pure greed, maybe both. I find it amazing that if (by miracle) an Australian banking institute has a profit downgrade or comes up short of the shareholders expectations either the CEO's and CFO's heads role, or in the least they have their salaries cut and bonuses removed...Not in avaiation, a loss of profit and profit downgrade results in payrises, fat bonuses and other wallet filling schemes.
Then again anybody investing their money into airlines that operate in a high risk environment with thin margins deserves to watch the CEO's racking up millions as a reward for destroying the company.

Qantas may have ridden out the 'GFC' of 2008-2010 which saw around $900 000 000 disapear in a nanosecond but you have to remember that was only the first bubble to burst. Wait til the mother of all bubbles bursts....
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