NZAA lighting failure 26/11/2010
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NZAA lighting failure 26/11/2010
The Townsville refueller tells me Auckland suffered a total runway lighting failure on Friday night from 20:30 to 04:00 local on Friday night, causing diversions to NZWN & NZCH.
Can anyone shed any light (intended) on how this "theoretically impossible" situation occurred, given some operators only require diversion fuel from TOD into NZ.
Can anyone shed any light (intended) on how this "theoretically impossible" situation occurred, given some operators only require diversion fuel from TOD into NZ.
I had the same issue in Darwin about a year ago.
No advice from ATC that there was a failure until questioned, simply advised to hold, (like we make fuel).
3rd world airports with 4th world services
No advice from ATC that there was a failure until questioned, simply advised to hold, (like we make fuel).
3rd world airports with 4th world services
Maybe they had some wantoks from AYPY down there ! I didn't think NZ was a third world country ! 
No it's that plug, na mate it must the other one,sh!t I dunno there are to many plugs here with empty sockets,me nosavy !
No it's that plug, na mate it must the other one,sh!t I dunno there are to many plugs here with empty sockets,me nosavy !
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And there are idiot captains flying airliners around here on minimum fuel because accountants and operations departments have told them it's the way to operate.
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short flights long nights
Yes...I was going to ask the same thing..how much fuel do consider enough fuel?
Keep putting in until the stuff pours out the vents and then back it off 100Kg.
Enough fuel for me,mum and the kids and I can do that,that's why I have four gold bars on each shoulder ! Sorry I forgot to mention,this is on top of the minimum legal requirements.
Anyway that's what I do up her in PNG,and I haven't flown a glider lately.
I do understand things might be slightly different in the real world !
Anyway that's what I do up her in PNG,and I haven't flown a glider lately.
I do understand things might be slightly different in the real world !
Obviously there is no single answer to that question, it depends on many factors.What is the legal minimum and what is the company minimum are a good starting point.Sufficient to give you a plan B in case of the unexpected even if it's CAVOK.Then you ask yourself the question,what is the minimum fuel I WANT TO LAND WITH at destination or alternate ? And work backwards from that point.Remember Plan B does not necessarily mean fuel to another airport!! I've seen crews in the simulator take 60 mins. in a holding pattern to do the flap asymmetry checklist.Whilst we can't cover all possible contingencies on every flight the last thing we need is to give ourselves the additional time pressures associated with a lack of fuel on top of whatever the other operational or technical or ground problem happens to be.
The bottom line is the company wants you to carry minimum fuel.It makes the flight operations department look good in the eyes of the accountants and gives the executives bigger bonuses.
Don't be so nieve as to believe if you f%ck up they will not use you to cover their own arse.
While you need to be sensible with the fuel you carry do not be pressured into carrying less than your comfortable with.As PIC you are more than covered by the CAR's.Just quote them if you are queried.
The bottom line is the company wants you to carry minimum fuel.It makes the flight operations department look good in the eyes of the accountants and gives the executives bigger bonuses.
Don't be so nieve as to believe if you f%ck up they will not use you to cover their own arse.
While you need to be sensible with the fuel you carry do not be pressured into carrying less than your comfortable with.As PIC you are more than covered by the CAR's.Just quote them if you are queried.
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While your response might be "spot on" and woftam is joining the parade, it doesn't really answer the question.
You criticise others for not arriving with "enough" fuel, yet you are unwilling to put an amount down your self. Give me an example of a destination with no weather requirements and what you believe is the minimum acceptable.
You criticise others for not arriving with "enough" fuel, yet you are unwilling to put an amount down your self. Give me an example of a destination with no weather requirements and what you believe is the minimum acceptable.
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Skynews, that's like asking how long is a piece of string.
Suffice to say it would be generally a lot more than the accountants think you need (and they should know, right?)
There used to be a thing called "Airmanship" and experience which dictated such decisions.
We have seen enough examples of what cost cutting leads to lately.
Back to the thread.
Suffice to say it would be generally a lot more than the accountants think you need (and they should know, right?)
There used to be a thing called "Airmanship" and experience which dictated such decisions.
We have seen enough examples of what cost cutting leads to lately.
Back to the thread.
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I'm sorry to go off thread again, but people who make ridiculous unfounded comments should have to explain them.
Idiot Captains flying airliners on minimum fuel, is what was said, so who are these airlines that require Captains to fly on minimum fuel and what exactly is minimum fuel?
Maybe this is a throw away comment from some one who doesn't know how to plan and consider his/ her options carefully, so like was suggested, simply likes to fill the tanks.
Minimum fuel, by the way for a jet is normally 30 mins + weather.
Idiot Captains flying airliners on minimum fuel, is what was said, so who are these airlines that require Captains to fly on minimum fuel and what exactly is minimum fuel?
Maybe this is a throw away comment from some one who doesn't know how to plan and consider his/ her options carefully, so like was suggested, simply likes to fill the tanks.
Minimum fuel, by the way for a jet is normally 30 mins + weather.
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minimum fuel at the flight planning stage for an airliner would be FF+taxi out+ FR + VR + Traffic holding (if Required)+ WX holding (if required).
Minimum LEGAL landing fuel is FR.So if your LANDING with less than your FR you should have declared a fuel emergency.
As stated by others here, good airmanship,experience,co-pilots imput,gut feelings on the day, etc, would dictate your fuel requirements.But if you want to pin me down to a figure.On a good weather day at SYD without single R/W ops I would say over the top with 80 mins fuel provided CBR has no WX requirements.This gives you lots of options including Richmond,Williamtown and Nowra and CBR if required, still landing with about 45mins fuel.Some places are not blessed with so many options e.g.CNS or PER where you would be crazy not to carry TSV and KAL fuel respectively.
Remember, at the end of the day the PIC will wear the can,not the bean counters or the flight operations management, whose backsides are covered by the company operations manuals.You make your decisions with that in mind,afterall it's your licence!!
minimum fuel at the flight planning stage for an airliner would be FF+taxi out+ FR + VR + Traffic holding (if Required)+ WX holding (if required).
Minimum LEGAL landing fuel is FR.So if your LANDING with less than your FR you should have declared a fuel emergency.
As stated by others here, good airmanship,experience,co-pilots imput,gut feelings on the day, etc, would dictate your fuel requirements.But if you want to pin me down to a figure.On a good weather day at SYD without single R/W ops I would say over the top with 80 mins fuel provided CBR has no WX requirements.This gives you lots of options including Richmond,Williamtown and Nowra and CBR if required, still landing with about 45mins fuel.Some places are not blessed with so many options e.g.CNS or PER where you would be crazy not to carry TSV and KAL fuel respectively.
Remember, at the end of the day the PIC will wear the can,not the bean counters or the flight operations management, whose backsides are covered by the company operations manuals.You make your decisions with that in mind,afterall it's your licence!!