PERTH: It's All Going To Happen...
[QUOTE=WingNut60;10142022]Smart-@rs3d answer - It depends where you get on!
Perth - Forrestfield : 2 zones $4.70 full fare.
Who really wants to get onto a suburban train (up to 10 stops) with luggage?
Perth - Forrestfield : 2 zones $4.70 full fare.
Who really wants to get onto a suburban train (up to 10 stops) with luggage?
Though I might catch the train one station to Forrestfield to get picked up, rather than have the missus rack up some horrendous parking fee for arriving too early (like 30 minutes early) or if the flight is delayed.
I really can't imagine that train to the airport getting much use at all.
Maybe backpackers heading for Bali and the FiFo crews - next to no luggage.
But not of they have to pay $15 to get off the train.
I am well accustomed to using the train in Tokyo, KL and, occasionally, Bangkok.
But that's a whole different ball game and a whole different level of service.
Last edited by WingNut60; 9th May 2018 at 13:53.
Much the same naming conflict occurred over the T3/T4 station - Redcliffe or Belmont.
Whoops, what happened to that last post (#287? - temporary) on platform access fees?
From my snooping it seems that those fees are in fact levied by Airport Link Company who, in turn, pay the NSW Govt something approaching AUD $1.5M per week in "train service fees".
Am I right in guessing that those fees are only levied for passengers catching the train from the airport?
If a levy like that is imposed in Perth then the train is going to be very short of passengers.
From my snooping it seems that those fees are in fact levied by Airport Link Company who, in turn, pay the NSW Govt something approaching AUD $1.5M per week in "train service fees".
Am I right in guessing that those fees are only levied for passengers catching the train from the airport?
If a levy like that is imposed in Perth then the train is going to be very short of passengers.
Officially the terminal station, next to Dundas Rd, is in North Forrestfield, even if people from High Wycombe disagree.
This map shows the "Forrestfield" station on Dundas Road between Berkshire Road and Maida Vale road.
Anything North of Berkshire road on Dundas Road would be High Wycombe.
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My only doubt is if my map sources are wrong because the gummint have moved the station?
So as I said, it neither goes through or terminates in Forrestfield.
Your turn.
There is no such suburb as North Forrestfield, there is a Forrestfield and High Wycombe.
In 2014, the State Government confirmed the Forrestfield-Airport Link project, inclusive of a new rail line to Perth Airport and a train station in Forrestfield North near High Wycombe. With the proposed development of a new rail line and train station, the City and key State Government Agencies including the Western Australian Planning Commission (WAPC) identified the need to redefine the potential land uses surrounding the future station, focussing on mixed use development incorporating retail, commercial and higher density residential.
Yes but is it a gazetted suburb or an area of the suburb known as Forrestfield? Which suburb is the station in again?
The name was all about buying votes with the unwashed that live in Forrestfield. Like Ellenbrook...
The name was all about buying votes with the unwashed that live in Forrestfield. Like Ellenbrook...
Have you ever flown to the "London" airport known as Stanstead? Or the "Barcelona" airport known as Girona? Or the Paris airport known as Beauvais?
It does not go there or through there. Why not call it the promised Ellenbrook line?
They decided to call it ‘Forrestfield’. So what?
It is to be developed as a residential precinct, whatever that may be. It lies within the suburb of Forrestfield but is not a suburb itself.
But then, apparently, nor is High Wycombe or Maida Vale.
Our disagreement may be around the definition of suburbs.
As I see it, the northern boundary of the suburb of Forrestfield is Margaret Rd, north of Kalamunda Road and lies in the locality (not suburb) of High Wycombe.
The new station is well within the northern boundary of the suburb of Forrestfield but only just inside the western boundary between the suburb of Forrestfield and the suburb of Belmont.
Have a look at Suburb maps
Have a look at Suburb maps
Have a look at this map...
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Some people like to get their knickers in a twist over the most ridiculous things.
That would be Census data and Electoral.
Have a look at this map...
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I don't wear knickers. At least we are exchanging views and discussing something, what are you doing?
Have a look at this map...
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I don't wear knickers. At least we are exchanging views and discussing something, what are you doing?
Still looking.
What irks me is that ALL press releases only ever mention "scheduled completion in 2020".
A date, or even a month, is never mentioned.
Effectively, what they are saying in terms of a milestone on a critical path, is that completion is scheduled for 23:59:59 on 31 December 2020.
I know that projects like this can and will encounter delays, but there is an actual scheduled completion date, even if it changes from time to time.
And there will definitely be, in the commercial contract, contingencies for unforeseen delays as well as bonuses for early completion.
You can bet that both the project managers and the government will be self-promoting with "under time and under budget" if the opportunity arises.
But how is the public to know what the real achievement is.if they never reveal the schedule.
They are all still gun-shy following the Children's Hospital fiasco.
Thread Starter
ABC News, 17 May 2018:
Perth Airport's expansion plans have cleared a major hurdle, putting a decades-old proposal for a third runway a step closer to reality.
But Aboriginal Affairs Minister Ben Wyatt's decision to grant Aboriginal heritage approval for the runway sparked an immediate backlash, with Noongar groups angry about the impact on a nearby sacred site.
The new airstrip, which is unlikely to be operational for about a decade and still has some hurdles to clear before it can proceed, will be constructed in part on Munday Swamp and will run parallel to the existing main runway.
Munday Swamp is an ancient turtle-fishing site deemed to be of high cultural importance to the Noongar community.
Mr Wyatt pointed to the need for a third airport runway, pointing to passenger demand, but conceded his decision would anger some in the Noongar community.
"I appreciate the hurt my decision today may cause a number of Noongar people," Mr Wyatt said.
"I take no pleasure in this announcement."
"However my ministerial responsibility to protect Aboriginal cultural heritage must take into account the broader interests of the whole state of Western Australia."
The decision sparked an immediate backlash from some campaigners, with the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council "deeply disappointed" with Mr Wyatt's decision.
"The proposed new runway would destroy the cultural, historical and spiritual significance of the Munday Swamp, which is already acknowledged as being sacred to the Whadjuk Noongar People," the council said.
Iva Hayward-Jackson, a director of the Rottnest Island Deaths Group Aboriginal Corporation, said he was angry and disappointed with the decision.
"It is damaging to our spirit, to our culture, to our sacred land and our sacred waterways," he said.
"This is a sacred area that is ancient ... there are 30,000-plus years of Aboriginal heritage and culture at that particular site."
Perth Airport said the parallel runway, to be built to the south-east of existing airport infrastructure, was needed to cater for an expected surge in demand.
The airport is predicting it will see 35 million passenger movements by 2045, up from 13.6 million currently.
"Two distinct flight paths are much safer, it allows for much more frequency of flights taking off and landing," Perth Airport chief executive Kevin Brown said.
"In our region there is a lot of opportunity and we want to make sure we are providing that full opportunity."
Mr Brown said everything possible had been done to minimise the impact on Munday Swamp, including shifting the proposed runway further away from that site than initial plans had proposed.
"Ninety per cent of the swamp will be protected for future generations," he said.
The airport's expansion plans will see Qantas shift its operations to the 'Airport Central' precinct, near the international terminal, by 2025.
Perth Airport's third runway clears hurdle, sparks immediate Noongar backlash
By Jacob Kagi
Updated yesterday at 6:15pmThu 17 May 2018, 6:15pmBut Aboriginal Affairs Minister Ben Wyatt's decision to grant Aboriginal heritage approval for the runway sparked an immediate backlash, with Noongar groups angry about the impact on a nearby sacred site.
The new airstrip, which is unlikely to be operational for about a decade and still has some hurdles to clear before it can proceed, will be constructed in part on Munday Swamp and will run parallel to the existing main runway.
Munday Swamp is an ancient turtle-fishing site deemed to be of high cultural importance to the Noongar community.
Mr Wyatt pointed to the need for a third airport runway, pointing to passenger demand, but conceded his decision would anger some in the Noongar community.
"I appreciate the hurt my decision today may cause a number of Noongar people," Mr Wyatt said.
"I take no pleasure in this announcement."
"However my ministerial responsibility to protect Aboriginal cultural heritage must take into account the broader interests of the whole state of Western Australia."
The decision sparked an immediate backlash from some campaigners, with the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council "deeply disappointed" with Mr Wyatt's decision.
"The proposed new runway would destroy the cultural, historical and spiritual significance of the Munday Swamp, which is already acknowledged as being sacred to the Whadjuk Noongar People," the council said.
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Iva Hayward-Jackson, a director of the Rottnest Island Deaths Group Aboriginal Corporation, said he was angry and disappointed with the decision.
"It is damaging to our spirit, to our culture, to our sacred land and our sacred waterways," he said.
"This is a sacred area that is ancient ... there are 30,000-plus years of Aboriginal heritage and culture at that particular site."
Perth Airport said the parallel runway, to be built to the south-east of existing airport infrastructure, was needed to cater for an expected surge in demand.
The airport is predicting it will see 35 million passenger movements by 2045, up from 13.6 million currently.
"Two distinct flight paths are much safer, it allows for much more frequency of flights taking off and landing," Perth Airport chief executive Kevin Brown said.
"In our region there is a lot of opportunity and we want to make sure we are providing that full opportunity."
Mr Brown said everything possible had been done to minimise the impact on Munday Swamp, including shifting the proposed runway further away from that site than initial plans had proposed.
"Ninety per cent of the swamp will be protected for future generations," he said.
The airport's expansion plans will see Qantas shift its operations to the 'Airport Central' precinct, near the international terminal, by 2025.
