PERTH: It's All Going To Happen...
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There will be no costly — not to mention inconvenient — weather diversions to Adelaide for international flights or planes unable to take-off .
For suitably equipped aircraft 75m good to go
For an “aviation expert” there were sure a lot of technical inaccuracies in that article
For an “aviation expert” there were sure a lot of technical inaccuracies in that article
It's not called the State of Wait Awhile for nothing
There will be no costly — not to mention inconvenient — weather diversions to Adelaide for international flights or planes unable to take-off .
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I have it on good authority Buzzbox, that it has been placed in the 'Too Hard' file.
Have you ever seen one of those sheepdog competitions where the poor dog, no matter how good it is, gets a few really cranky sheep, and just can't get them all in the one pen?
Have you ever seen one of those sheepdog competitions where the poor dog, no matter how good it is, gets a few really cranky sheep, and just can't get them all in the one pen?
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Forget the cranky sheep, Bolthead, trying to set up Cunderdin as a Cat 3 international alternate would be as easy as a kelpie trying to herd cats!
Doesn't need to be cat anything
Just strong, long with a nice apron
Happy friday
Just strong, long with a nice apron
Happy friday
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I keep telling you lot, it's all happening... YCUN
From The West Australian, 19 Feb 2018
Cunderdin strip still in alternative airport mix
Geoffrey Thomas
Despite the upgrade to Perth Airport’s fog-beating autoland system, the proposed redevelopment of Cunderdin Aerodrome as a nearby alternative airport remains on track and is essential to maximising airlines’ safety options and fuel savings.
According to Ascent Aviation’s managing director Benjamin Reid, Perth’s autoland upgrade does not dilute the importance of upgrading Cunderdin.
Ascent is proposing multimillion-dollar improvements of Cunderdin airport, a plan which has received bipartisan support from the major political parties.
The company is working with several major international airlines on the business case for the project.
Cunderdin is 160km east of Perth but is little more than 15 minutes flying time from the city and is not adversely affected by the weather at Perth Airport.
While the Perth Airport upgrade will eliminate the need for diversion to Adelaide for most international airlines, planes still need to carry fuel for an alternative, and the most suitable for most aircraft is Learmonth — a 90-minute flight.
“There is no level of sophistication in airport infrastructure that guarantees an aircraft’s safe landing , which is why airlines will continue to carry extra fuel reserves to Perth even with the new CAT IIIB Instrument Landing System,” Mr Reid said.
And on days when Perth Airport weather is forecast below minimum landing requirements, there are a few international airlines that opt to carry enough fuel for two alternative airports, he added.
“For the Boeing 777-300 ER, the two nominated alternates might be Learmonth and Adelaide, but for the Airbus A380, the two would be Adelaide and Melbourne, as Learmonth is not rated for the aircraft,” Mr Reid said. “The Cunderdin upgrade will be A380-rated .”
An autoland system does not help in extremely windy conditions and Perth Airport has been affected by high winds rolling off the Darling Range in summer.
Manufacturers stipulate maximum crosswinds for aircraft and if the winds exceed those they must divert.
The Perth autoland upgrade and the Cunderdin alternative combination would enable airlines to carry the lowest safe level of additional fuel leading to significant cost savings.
One of the keys to the viability of Cunderdin is that while it is close to Perth, its weather is sufficiently different to make it viable.
Geoffrey Thomas
Despite the upgrade to Perth Airport’s fog-beating autoland system, the proposed redevelopment of Cunderdin Aerodrome as a nearby alternative airport remains on track and is essential to maximising airlines’ safety options and fuel savings.
According to Ascent Aviation’s managing director Benjamin Reid, Perth’s autoland upgrade does not dilute the importance of upgrading Cunderdin.
Ascent is proposing multimillion-dollar improvements of Cunderdin airport, a plan which has received bipartisan support from the major political parties.
The company is working with several major international airlines on the business case for the project.
Cunderdin is 160km east of Perth but is little more than 15 minutes flying time from the city and is not adversely affected by the weather at Perth Airport.
While the Perth Airport upgrade will eliminate the need for diversion to Adelaide for most international airlines, planes still need to carry fuel for an alternative, and the most suitable for most aircraft is Learmonth — a 90-minute flight.
“There is no level of sophistication in airport infrastructure that guarantees an aircraft’s safe landing , which is why airlines will continue to carry extra fuel reserves to Perth even with the new CAT IIIB Instrument Landing System,” Mr Reid said.
And on days when Perth Airport weather is forecast below minimum landing requirements, there are a few international airlines that opt to carry enough fuel for two alternative airports, he added.
“For the Boeing 777-300 ER, the two nominated alternates might be Learmonth and Adelaide, but for the Airbus A380, the two would be Adelaide and Melbourne, as Learmonth is not rated for the aircraft,” Mr Reid said. “The Cunderdin upgrade will be A380-rated .”
An autoland system does not help in extremely windy conditions and Perth Airport has been affected by high winds rolling off the Darling Range in summer.
Manufacturers stipulate maximum crosswinds for aircraft and if the winds exceed those they must divert.
The Perth autoland upgrade and the Cunderdin alternative combination would enable airlines to carry the lowest safe level of additional fuel leading to significant cost savings.
One of the keys to the viability of Cunderdin is that while it is close to Perth, its weather is sufficiently different to make it viable.
In reality Cunderdin just becomes a tick in the box for alternate planning, if for whatever reason a heavy was to go there majority of those off a long haul wont have the duty to return to Perth, then you have customs, Fuel, and 400 pax which would probably be bused back to Perth as you dont have the luxury of other airlines to get them back.
So how does Ascent make money out of this? Do airlines pay for the priviledge of using YCUN as a nominated alternate given they save on fuel uplift? Im sure you would rarely get a heavy landing their to nab some landing fees.
As for xwinds in Perth they can occur at any time day or night so what RFF facilities will be in place in YCUN for this possible scenario?
So how does Ascent make money out of this? Do airlines pay for the priviledge of using YCUN as a nominated alternate given they save on fuel uplift? Im sure you would rarely get a heavy landing their to nab some landing fees.
As for xwinds in Perth they can occur at any time day or night so what RFF facilities will be in place in YCUN for this possible scenario?
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Shoot the Bin Chickens!
From Perth Now, 8th March 2018:
Council to cull 100 Australian White Ibis birds due to Perth Airport flight fears
Rob Scott | PerthNow
March 8, 2018 6:38PM
Around 100 pest birds that experts say pose a risk to planes and passengers flying in and out of Perth Airport will be culled, the local council has confirmed.
The number of master scavengers Australian White Ibis, commonly referred to as bin chickens or tip turkeys, at the Red Hill Waste Management Facility has increased so dramatically that the East Metropolitan Regional Council has been forced to take action.
Nearby residents have been told to expect gunshots from Monday, as a program to thin the numbers of pest birds gets under way.
In a letter addressed to residents, the council said the Ibis “can carry and transmit disease … and most importantly they pose an imminent threat to planes from bird strikes”.
“The Ibis represents a very serious problem, simply because it's a very large bird,” aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas said.
“Bird strikes can and do bring down planes.
“A 747 pilot told me his aircraft encountered an Ibis on take-off from Sydney and the vibrations from the engine, it took out an engine, were so severe that he could not read the instruments.”
According to Australian Transport Safety Bureau figures, there were 135 bird strikes at Perth Airport between 2015 and 2017.
The Red Hill facility, where the Ibis population is growing, is within the flight path of Perth Airport planes.
The culling program will be staggered during the year by a contractor.
The first round of the cull is due to start on Monday.
Rob Scott | PerthNow
March 8, 2018 6:38PM
Around 100 pest birds that experts say pose a risk to planes and passengers flying in and out of Perth Airport will be culled, the local council has confirmed.
The number of master scavengers Australian White Ibis, commonly referred to as bin chickens or tip turkeys, at the Red Hill Waste Management Facility has increased so dramatically that the East Metropolitan Regional Council has been forced to take action.
Nearby residents have been told to expect gunshots from Monday, as a program to thin the numbers of pest birds gets under way.
In a letter addressed to residents, the council said the Ibis “can carry and transmit disease … and most importantly they pose an imminent threat to planes from bird strikes”.
“The Ibis represents a very serious problem, simply because it's a very large bird,” aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas said.
“Bird strikes can and do bring down planes.
“A 747 pilot told me his aircraft encountered an Ibis on take-off from Sydney and the vibrations from the engine, it took out an engine, were so severe that he could not read the instruments.”
According to Australian Transport Safety Bureau figures, there were 135 bird strikes at Perth Airport between 2015 and 2017.
The Red Hill facility, where the Ibis population is growing, is within the flight path of Perth Airport planes.
The culling program will be staggered during the year by a contractor.
The first round of the cull is due to start on Monday.
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I heard a rumor the other day that QF is going to base their new recruit school at YCUN and compete with China Southern and Singapore. Looks like WA is the training state.
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It's all happening tonight!
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wea...-ng-b88770304z
Better brush the dust off those Rotto 09 NDB charts you eastern lot...
Better brush the dust off those Rotto 09 NDB charts you eastern lot...
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11 was made redundant!