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Old 4th Nov 2010, 10:22
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Old 4th Nov 2010, 10:53
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Plenty of room on that vast expanse of tarmac in front of what may become Terminal WA. Pretty easy to bus pax across.
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Just stating the bleeding obvious, of course it's for the buildings, once bought, network will cease to exist and on the issue of room for two operators over the coastal routes, you're right, there isnt. If I were a gambling man as to who survives my money would be on the Q400 as I have no doubt about the outcome. It will be the same as it is against REX over Port Lincoln in South Australia.
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Old 4th Nov 2010, 12:49
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there is not much room left around QF or T3 for some Q400s...
Not many pens left in the yacht clubs on the Swan either. They better move fast or they'll get stuck in Mindarie!
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 11:33
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QF in WA.

My forcast is for a new regional operation for Qantas. Cobham will be the loser with the 717 leaving the fleet. Qantas wouldn't want the staff uproar of buying into Cobham, so a clean sheet of paper would look good for QF in both RPT and mining charter!
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Qantas wouldn't want the staff uproar of buying into Cobham,
why would there be an uproar?
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 00:05
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with the 717 leaving the fleet
Unlikely as the airframes are leased by QF to 2018.
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 01:38
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but i thought Cobham only had an agreement until 2012?
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 04:47
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Correct, the crewing contact with Cobham is due for renewal in 2012. The 717 leases expire around 2017. Another 5 years beyond the crew contract.
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 07:06
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Cobham and the 717

Well with regards to Nick Xenophon's push for a senate inquiry into pilot training, 2 out of his 3 key examples (incidents/accidents) are 2 Cobham B717 incidents.... with the 3rd being the multiple stick-shaker incidents on a QLink Q300... cannot be good for 2012??
 
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Hey Beaver,

Go fishing somewhere else mate LOL.

Hope all is going well with you and yours.

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Well with regards to Nick Xenophon's push for a senate inquiry into pilot training, 2 out of his 3 key examples (incidents/accidents) are 2 Cobham B717 incidents.... with the 3rd being the multiple stick-shaker incidents on a QLink Q300
True, and one of his advisors is the man that was heading the Cobham training dept, before during and for a time after the incidents.

Xenophon will have first hand information available re the incidents and there causes.

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Old 8th Nov 2010, 11:45
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Old 21st Nov 2010, 23:02
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Red face Skyewst wins by a knockout?

!9th Nov skywest is awarded the position of the preferred operator for the coastal routes except Geraldton. Albany Esp& others is for skywest for the next 5 years. so I guess that settles that for now...
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 00:28
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The government sensibly realised that ABA and ESP are too small for 2 mid sized operators. After 12 months of undercutting fares, 1 would have dropped out anyway. Apart from 12 months of cheap flights for residents, there wouldn't have been any appreciable gain from awarding 2 licences.
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 13:59
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Checked on the government website and I cannot see an anouncement.

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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 22:54
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knockout or knocked out?

Geraldton is the money maker and thats gotta hurt. Ouch!

Word is Alliance have muscled in on Telfer. Don't even bother trying to compete with Alliance on charter or qf on regional flying with the Q400 for that matter. You will lose.

Very interested to see who's going to go head to head on the Geraldton route. Will it be

Q400 V Ejet
Q400 V F100
Q400 V F50

My money is on Q400 clearly. Reckon only an ATR would come close to posing a threat.
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 23:01
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I doubt whether QF will bring over the boats to fly on only one route.
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 23:08
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You'd need at least enough work for 3-4 aircraft to make the start up and moving cost worth it.

There's only 7 Q400's due from Feb 2011, and I think most of those will have found work on the East Coast.

Maybe a few -300's ex East Coast run by Cobham. That's a big maybe though...
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Old 22nd Nov 2010, 23:34
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I think Skywest's MOU with VB will prevent the Ejet getting a look in, so my prediction is F100 vs 717 to GEL and LEA.
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