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Old 22nd Sep 2014, 22:50
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The concept of medical examinations was the RAAF method of weeding out. If they didn't like your family heritage for example, you were washed out for lacking leadership potential or having no demonstrable moral fortitude. This continued into civilian life with DCA and was generationally refined. A pity this wasn't applied to members of parliament.


An aside, I finally bothered to read my RA-Aus magazine for June 2014. Such is my enthusiasm for recreational flying these days. I noted a photo of 2 CAsA Dudes looking "benign". I wonder what that was supposed to portray? I was also sad to read the following financial summary;


2014 2013 2012
Revenue. $1,588,162 $2,369,483 $2,521,951
Expenses. $1,834,202 $2,495,678 $2,302,026
Surplus/Deficit. $ 246,040- $ 126,195- $ 219,925+


It would appear, (but I'm not an accountant), they have lost somewhere near $1Million in revenue in 2 years.


I wonder how the other alphabet soup associations are faring? I wonder if they all have "benign" CAsA dudes hanging about?

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The mysterious affair of the lost minutes.

February 15, 2013, Nick Xenophon was on a roll and had his questions all lined up, like good little soldiers. The video - 'man at the back of the room' - posted by Sarcs is an end play of an elaborate dance, at the very end of an interesting passage of play – to wit; the stoic, albeit nervous denial of collusion. Farq-u-hardson was the anointed maestro of smoke and mirrors, with his two willing aides (White loading the wagon and Chambers shovelling the 'data') to make sure of a smooth passage. Then Nick poses the questions – to the maestro - and McComic steams to the rescue.

5. HANSARD PG 18 – 19.

Senator XENOPHON: Mr Farquharson, do you have the minutes of the accident investigation committee of 18 November 2011 handy?

Mr McCormick: Can you give us a couple of minutes in which to look? We have got substantial amounts of paperwork.

Senator XENOPHON: Sure.

Mr McCormick: Sorry, what was the date again?

Senator XENOPHON: 18 November 2011.

Mr McCormick: I sincerely doubt it. That is not something which we considered. But we could have a look.

Senator XENOPHON: I have only got my note of it.

Mr Farquharson: No.

Senator XENOPHON: You don't have it?

Mr Farquharson: Not the 18th.

Senator XENOPHON: My understanding is that the minutes show, Mr Farquharson, that you were to meet with ATSB to see if ATSB had changed its position. Would that ring a bell?

Mr McCormick: We will have to take that on notice, sorry. We have to refer to the minutes.

Senator XENOPHON: If I can put it to you in those terms that, if that is the case, it shows that there is an element of influence on the part of CASA with respect to the ATSB?

McCormick [We] did not provide that report to anyone. We did not provide the report outside—I am talking about the CASA accident report—we did not provide that report as we naturally would not do until the ATSB demanded it of us under section 32. Refers CAIR 093. (My bold)
These questions, amongst other were taken on notice by McComic. Then we have a wait, until March 01, 2013 for the second supplementary submission to be presented, which runs about the houses and provides some very entertaining, artistic, creative paragraphs; even manages to laud the Chambers knock off of Messrs Cook, Christie and Watson definitive reports while having a slap at the "so called" Cook report. Not a bad effort – if you like that sort of twaddle. But the answers to the questions (QON) must be provided, so March 24, 2013 the response to QON arrives.

• Question 5: Hansard, pages 18-19, from Senator Xenophon ( CASA influence over ATSB) is covered in Sections 2 and 4 of CASA's Second Supplementary Submission.
Now then, if patience, constitution and fortitude allows it; you must read parts 2 and 4 of the CASA supplementary to winnow your answers.

Out of human kindness; I'll tell you the answer to the riddle of the missing minutes. There ain't one; and the missing minutes remain concealed from public view. Nick and his team may have a copy saved from the shredder; but no one else has seen those precious minutes, which may just contain the vital clue to the great mystery of why a safety recommendation was diminished. I for one would like to see them; but better still, now that Terry is the 'guv'nor' for him bring in the missing minutes in and to answer directly, under oath, those questions posed to him by Xenophon, taken on notice by McComic and explain why the non-answers were returned, buried under a pile of twaddle.

Could it be someone is having a lend of Xenophon; or is he just playing possum – I wonder? Perhaps shy sentinel can provide the answers – who knows. Life's little puzzles eh??

Research data – ONE TWOTHREE.

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For the benefit of the 'person at the back of the room.'

For the benefit of those amongst us more inclined to moving pictures and the many nuances therein; here is the vid passage for your entertainment...


Kharon - I for one would like to see them; but better still, now that Terry is the 'guv'nor' for him bring in the missing minutes in and to answer directly, under oath, those questions posed to him by Xenophon, taken on notice by McComic and explain why the non-answers were returned, buried under a pile of twaddle.
Hmmm...perfect opportunity for the Ag (currently carrying the can) DAS to clear the air on the missing minutes, when he presents before the committee on 20 October at Supp Estimates...

Here I was thinking that on the PelAir - Timeline of Embuggerance (TOE) - the cupboard was pretty bare after 22 July 2010 where the AgDAS emailed to the DAS, quote from my post - TOE (P3.5) cont/- :
However the next email reply (4 days later) from the (obfuscating) DDAS seems to be where everything went South for the next two years??

“…is comfortable with the report's content, to the extent that it correlates with the AAT material to be submitted shortly and that there are no differences that can be highlighted by the opposing legal team…

People can fill in the blanks but basically the report (CAIR 09/3) matched the evidence (ducks in a row) intended to be presented at the AAT, except the opposing legal team did fervently contest this evidence. Hmm…wonder if the opposing legal team were privy to CAIR 09/3 in its entirety?
After this statement from the former DAS...

"....We did not provide that report to anyone. We did not provide the report outside—I am talking about the CASA accident report—we did not provide that report as we naturally would not do until the ATSB demanded it of us under section 32..."

I now wonder if the CAIR 09/3 was indeed requested by the bureau under s32 and if so when was this request made?? It would appear from the AgDAS (then DDAS) email that he was never going to freely give it up...

“…When (redacted) has confirmed the fuel calculations, would like to discuss in general the report with ATSB. In any discussions (redacted) would not provide the ATSB with a copy of the report but would talk about the salient points. This is in keeping with the spirit of the MOU…”

I also question the veracity of a statement from the AgDAS a bit further along in the Hansard (approx. 05:30 in the vid):
Senator XENOPHON: Yes, but there was a lead-up to that. The downgrading occurred as a result of a number of representations. How many times did you meet with the ATSB to discuss CASA's views about whether it should be a critical safety issue or not? It was clearly the view of CASA that it should not be a critical safety issue. Is that right?

Mr Farquharson : The CASA view was that the legislative approach the ATSB were proposing at the time could not be achieved and in our responses we pointed out to them an amount of information and that these decisions come down to airmanship and the responsibilities of the captain when airborne. They were the two positions taken.
Beyond that the next we heard, that I am aware of, was when the safety issue was formally downgraded by the commission on 16 August 2012—
Especially when you consider this part of my previous (in particular the Annex A link) post above:
Which says to me that the DAS (at least) was expecting the bureau (as is normal procedure) to soon publish an interim report on at least the CSI. It was just a matter of whether that would be in the form of a SR or an SI. This assumption by the DAS was also reinforced by the fact that a month before his ‘white hats’ had drafted NPRM 1003 OS and he had personally endorsed the proposed amendment to CAO 82.0 (Annex A).
Nah surely it can't be that our now (acting or not) fearless leader would dare to mislead the good Senators and indeed the IOS, hmm maybe he just had a forgettery moment...

Maybe in the interest of probity the AgDAS, along with being armed with the minutes, could also clear this strange conundrum up at the Sup Estimates, after all the buck currently stops with the AgDAS...

Addendum - AQON links

By the way for those interested the AQONs for the last Budget Estimates have finally been released...

Here are the relevant links of most interest:

229 - 240 Aviation and Airports (AAA)(PDF 180KB)QoN230A-B (PDF 106KB)

241 - 257 Airservices Australia (AA)(PDF 256KB)

258 - 262 Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB)(PDF 92KB)

263 - 273 Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA)(PDF 157KB)

From the ATsB AQONs in regards to TSBC peer review
Senator Xenophon, Nick asked:

Senator XENOPHON: Was this committee's report into the Pel-Air incident provided to the TSB? Is that one of the documents that the TSB is looking at?

Mr Dolan: Yes.

Senator XENOPHON: I take it, Chair, we have not been contacted by the TSB. No, we have not. Was any view proffered as to whether the Senate committee should be contacted in respect of their report and in respect of the incident?

Mr Dolan: We provided the report to the TSB and left it to them.

Senator XENOPHON: Are you able to provide the committee on notice a list of the material, documents and any correspondence in respect to the matters that the committee was considering?

Mr Dolan: Yes. I can give you a list of all material that was provided by us to the TSB.
Answer:
The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) of its own initiative obtained a copy of the committee’s report. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) provided the following material to the TSB:
• ATSB Safety Investigation Quality System Manual;
• ATSB Safety Investigation Policy and Procedures Manual;
• ATSB Safety Investigation Guidelines Manual;
• ATSB Safety Investigations Tools Manual;
• ATSB Safety Investigation Information Management System access;
• ATSB organisation chart;
• Final Report of the Safety Oversight Audit of the Civil Aviation System of Australia (February 2008);
• Summary of ATSB actions in response to the International Civil Aviation Organization Universal Safety Oversight Audit Program 2008 Audit Findings;
• Civil Aviation Safety Authority’s Post-occurrence Special Audit of PelAir;
• Memorandum of Understanding between the Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (February 2010);
• International Civil Aviation Organization Annex 13 – Electronic Filing of Differences (July 2010);
• The Chambers Report: Oversight Deficiencies – PelAir and Beyond (August 2010);
• Memorandum of Understanding between the ATSB and the Department of Defence Directorate of Defence Aviation and Air Force Safety for Cooperation relating to Transport Safety Investigation (February 2013); and
• Government Response to the Report into Aviation Accident Investigations (March 2014).
MTF...

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Meeting 28, November 18, 2011.

'K' as requested – an un shredded version.

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Selective reading.

- Like selective deafness, is an acquired art; learned at the teat by 'crats and perfected over the years. Once the Canucks have gotten past the stultifying 'manual and protocol suite' and get onto the juicy stuff; will the beauty be in the eye of the beholder. It's a question of view point; that which abhorrent to one man, may easily be seen as the very quintessence of elegance to another. As our safety 'bodies' view their output as 'perfection', is it reasonable to assume that like minded Canuck 'crats will find the same perfection in the dissembling, obfuscated ramblings our 'crats hold up for scrutiny? Because if they do, dismiss any notion of an independent, constructive return report being provided. The reading list includes:-

• Final Report of the Safety Oversight Audit of the Civil Aviation System of Australia (February 2008);

• Civil Aviation Safety Authority’s Post-occurrence Special Audit of PelAir;

• The Chambers Report: Oversight Deficiencies – PelAir and Beyond (August 2010);

• Government Response to the Report into Aviation Accident Investigations (March 2014).
The not so subtle influence to take the line of least resistance is apparent throughout the reading set and you can see how it will be worked. From the CASA supplementary (my bold):-

2.6 The two Human Factors experts contributing to the work of the Special Audit team were Mr Ben Cook, then Manager of CASA's Human Factors Section, and Mr Malcolm Christie, another CASA Human Factors Specialist. Like other members of the Special Audit team, their role was to examine and analyse those aspects of Pel-Air's operations in respect of which they had particular expertise, and to provide input into the final audit report on that basis.
You will note the Canadian omission of expert reports and interviews; it is reasonable to ask why. The answers follow shortly, if you ignore 'selective' reading.

2.8 In this case, the so-called 'Cook Report' was a subordinate contributory piece of evaluative work from which the Coordinator of the Pel-Air Special Audit team, Mr Roger Chambers, then Area Manager of CASA's Bankstown Office, could, (and did) draw on, in his preparation of the final authoritative Pel-Air Special Audit Report.
Read paragraph 2.8 again, properly. The dismissive ("so called") attitude to the report of a qualified expert was to be reduced to only the 'elements' selected by the acting area manager who was free, even encouraged to plagiarise and cherry pick to achieve the desired outcome. Cook's missive, in full is a crucial report to anyone remotely interested in operational safety. Is Wodger qualified to be 'selective'; not on your Nelly. You may also note that there is no mention, whatsoever of Christie, which of it's self is 'passing strange'.

2.9 As he quite properly did with the submissions of all members of the Audit Team, Mr Chambers included in the final Pel-Air Special Audit Report those elements of Mr Cook's assessment that were germane to the audit. Material was excluded only on that basis and in accordance with generally applicable audit protocols. Accordingly, relevant FRMS-related findings in Mr Cook's assessment appear consistently in the corresponding sections of the Special Audit Report.
Try again – same-same – hand picked 'elements', 'germane' why carve up the report, when, standing alone the whole would be beneficial. But no, once again selective reading is influenced by selected parts.

4.9 Of course, at the time there was no 'Chambers Report' to which Mr McCormick might have referred. However, having advised the Chief Commissioner of CASA's intentions, the existence of information-and the likelihood that there would be further information of a kind that could be said to fall within the broad scope of paragraph 4.4.6 of the MoU-was conveyed to the ATSB on 26 May 2010.
Interesting – Cook gets bundled out after producing a 'so called' report; but the Chambers missive is granted the accolade of being 'a report'. This is a canny ploy; the expert rendered nugatory, the plagiarist nudged forward as the 'ultimate' expert. Read that selectively.

You know, I could, possibly care less about the Canuck report – if I tried. My Grand Mamma was a whiz at card games and a naturally gifted amateur magician who delighted us children with card tricks and sleight of hand (some say this was due to a forbidden liaison with a vaudeville stage magician). Grand carefully educated those who were interested in how to spot a stacked deck, a marked card and many of the card sharps tricks of trade.

Some say – "there's one born every minute, Hallelujah".

Some sources claim the quote is most likely from famous con-man Joseph ("Paper Collar Joe") Bessimer, and other sources say it was actually uttered by David Hannum, spoken in reference to Barnum's part in the Cardiff Giant hoax. Hannum, who was exhibiting the "original" giant and had unsuccessfully sued Barnum for exhibiting a copy and claiming it was the original, was referring to the crowds continuing to pay to see Barnum's exhibit even after both it and the original had been proven to be fakes.
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Why would we be surprised kharon, anyone who joins CAsA is automatically anointed as "Expert".

Look through a few AAT proceedings.

Real experts, with real qualifications and real experience from industry, are largely ignored, in favour of CAsA experts made up of people who couldn't be employed by industry because they require competent people, or RAAF failures who's progression in the RAAF had stalled because they also needed competent people.

Same same the way they selectively massage statistics to promote the Myth that Australian aviation, because of CAsA oversight, is the safest in the world.
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Not too surprised anymore, just nauseous.

Thorny – "Real experts, with real qualifications and real experience from industry, are largely ignored, in favour of CAsA experts"
Sadly, very true in many instances, but not all. It's the white hats v black hats war. From where you sit Thorny, you don't need to look very far to see two classic examples of the war in action. The quality of service and advice is very variable. If we ever manage to establish a board and anoint a new CEO and enter the phase of 'reform' as recommended by Senate and Rev. Forsyth, that will only impact the 'soft' top layer. The real issue, for me at least, is in addressing the very real mess in the lower layers.

Real reform needs to be generated from the top and made to penetrate all the way down to the very bottom. Strong, honest leadership from the top must encourage the 'white hats'; (those who have not resigned and left feeling dirty and disgusted), to step up to the mark and start 'persuading' the black hats to "return to industry", then the deadwood needs to be lopped and coppiced. Little rats nests of vermin need to be excised along with their 'leader'. The new boss of CASA will, as a matter of urgency, need to address the small issues first, if and it's a big IF, any sort of regulatory reform is to be effective. Mostly the howls for – regulatory reform – are used as a convenient cover for reform of the regulator. We have limped along with the old regulations for a long while and, in the right hands, they could remain serviceable for a few more years; provided those 'administering' the regulation were competent, honest folk. Regrettably, those are in the minority..

Take Part 61 for example or 145 if you prefer and see 'who' was the significant draftsman at the base, who drove the 'philosophy' on which the regulation is based, that research will answer many of your questions. Particularly the "who dreamt up this crock" one.

Back in the day, some of the very best rule sets we have were rooted in a 'sound' philosophy, the actual drafting of the rules reflected that intelligence, expertise and honesty. Some of the 'modern' stuff is not based on such expertise but on whimsy, 'personal' preference and the sort of bollocks junior pilots espouse in the mess room. Read the Australian 61 again against the NZ 61 and you shall see the benefit of researching the radical cause of the 61 catastrophe.

If you can spare the time and patience – try a little experiment – ask two of the most junior, least experienced (life and aviation) pilots to draft a part to go into the COM; say for routine, on line proficiency checks, tell them it must be 'black letter legal'. When you get the thing back, you shall see exactly how the part 61 abomination was cobbled together; true dat..

Anyway – I doubt any of us will live long enough to even see a response to the Senate effort, let alone anything more recent. We'll; just keep bumping along the bottom, trying to survive and find a way to avoid the garbage thrown into the once clear stream. Unless of course someone steps up and calls for a clean up drive. We may live in hope, but with little certainty and bugger all faith. Anyone in NZ need a slightly battered driver – airframe; will work for beer, baccy and a new pair of boots at Christmas???

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Kharon,
Mr Wodger Wabbit is indeed a manipulator of information to suit his own agenda. One of my little experiences with him recently was his denial of an investigation into a Check Captain who threatened to alter the result of a Line Check from a pass to a fail after the successful conclusion of the check.Form already filled in and everything! He did this after I made complaint to him concerning the inconsistency of the company Training and Checking system.
Mr Wabbit denied investigation because "all CASA could do is ask the Check Captain for his version of events".
I then complained to the CASA ICC providing a copy of the company report which stated the Check Captain made "inappropriate comments".
The CASA ICC response was "I cannot help you".
This is not a "buggers muddle" but the deliberate concealment of inconvenient truths to suit a predetermined outcome.
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Unfortunately the ICC was intended to be used as another hurdle that had to be jumped before you could make a complaint to The Commonwealth Ombudsman who required all other avenues of redress be explored prior. Mr Hart was one Commissioner who took his job seriously and learnt that CAsA didn't want any negative outcomes. I'd be surprised if his departure was for any other reason than he was thus compromised. The subsequent positions have, in my opinion, been filled (pardon the pun), by "suitable appointments.


The ICC should be treated as a joke and ridiculed accordingly. Further, I am of the opinion, The Commonwealth Ombudsman has been compromised via cronyism from within LSD.
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By "suitable" you don't mean someone to share a toothbrush with do you Frank?
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A number of mice in the house

The ICC is a crock of ****. It became 'compromised' after Mr Hart left. He was a decent, honest, transparent Commissioner. Just the type of Commissioner that industry needs, but not the type of Commissioner a despicable corrupt government wants. Hart saw the light and bolted. It was a sad day for anyone who has ever fronted the ICC since. After Hart left, the foul tempered Skull along with Dr Voodoo and the A380 pensioner finally got to tinker with the structure and stack it in their favour. All with the backing of the equally culpable and palpable Board. The biggest joke of all to anybody with an 'inside understanding of Australia's finest Regulator' was the 'working relationship' between Herr Skull and Hampton. So CASA, it's Directors, the CASA Board, the ICC, MrDak, Truss, and a host of other CASA Managers, a handful of the PMC spin doctors, the lot of them, are a bad joke who make honesty, integrity and transparency look like something that only belongs to a Disney fantasy film. The entire Australian version of the Westminster system has been manipulated, twisted, diverted and corrupted from what it's core purpose was. This is not new. This has been a century in the making and what we now have is a hybrid beast which has morphed from something with integrity to an untouchable and indestructible corrupt system that well serves this lands Masters but treats its citizens like 18th century criminals, even when innocent. It is legalised bullying and buggery, accepted and embraced by the highest office in our land. As Frank would say, it's time for civil disobedience, it's the only way.
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Soteria,

I gather you are a tad pissed off?

Speaking of Hampton, how would she be addressed, Miss, Mrs, Ms, Mistress??
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Thorny, pissed off with corruption and incompetence mate. I've touched on corruption mostly in my previous post, but Part 61 is another clusterf#ck of incompetence that is set to add tens of thousands of dollars worth of unnecessary burden onto helicopter operators, regardless of what that bearded CASA fool Gibson has to say.

Speaking of Hampton, how would she be addressed, Miss, Mrs, Ms, Mistress??
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Same same for fixed wing mate, I think you are understating the costs but, hundreds of thousands would be closer to the mark. Part 61 as another sage has said will be the devils playground for FOI's.

I always thought the point was to "Standardise"

Part 61 will drive the "Opinion" of the FOI to stratospheric heights of absurdity.

We are already having to operate with unsafe procedures according to the script we must follow.

I really dread whats next.
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WW2 aircraft, Handley Page: also manufacturer of Bicycle. A vehicle with a "tubularish" frame mounted sometimes upright on two points of usually circumferential dimension one behind the other or horizontally if not in immediate use. The rider sits on the saddle, propels the vehicle by means of pedals that drive the rear chain gear through foot motion and steers with handlebars on the front of the vehicle sometimes cushioned for comfort. (Also known as bike). Flying version subject to CAsA interpretation of the definition and not subject to DAMP testing.

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mounted sometimes upright on two points of usually circumferential dimension one behind the other or horizontally if not in immediate use. The rider sits on the saddle
The Skull at the ICC?
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Elizabeth (aka Libby) Hampton came from the Conflict Resolution Deparment at Telstra. Became the ICC stroking her pearl necklace wondering what to do about more than 60% of the complaints she had on her rosewood desk from CASA people complaining about each other. She now is making her mark at Customs and Excise.
Where is J Mac now? Comfortably ensconced in Montreal.
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And that may explain the missing Canadian TSB report.
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He said, She said on the sea shore.

Frank I doubt the Canucks will "report", be more like the whimpering, mewling noises one of those wet, almost silent farts makes, in an attempt to beat the SF separator check system.
Greedy –"Mr Wodger Wabbit is indeed a manipulator of information to suit his own agenda.
That particular McComic devotee, one of the really willing accomplices, has had a metaphorical 'red dot' on his forehead for a number of years in the form of a paper trail about five mile wide; more of a swathe really. There are internal and external queues waiting for a suitable platform or venue to present one of the most sordid stories, amongst the many from the McComic years. Standing alone our Wodger and some of his 'mates' are worthy candidates for investigation by Royal Commission; or, better yet a Fawcett led Senate inquiry.

This is not a "buggers muddle" but the deliberate concealment of inconvenient truths to suit a predetermined outcome. Greedy
Amen to that – buts it's only one of the very many grubby little tales emanating from the McComic era; rushed, pre prepared paper work, with many 'errors' made by our happy little band. Perhaps Wodgers next 'expert' speech to the RAeS could be dedicated to how to manipulate both system and law to obtain the 'desired result'.
TB "Speaking of Hampertop, how would she be addressed, Miss, Mrs, Ms, Mistress??"
Another willing accomplice. I reckon the Sunday papers would have a field day asking that question; with photographs, one taken in each outfit accompanying the racy, ribald expose. (BRB voted favourite is the all leather 'Mistress' one).

Sot –"[unnecessary] burden onto helicopter operators, regardless of what that bearded CASA fool Gobson has to say."
Easy one for a good barrister, public statement, documented and recorded for posterity. Another willing accomplice, happily doing deals with the devil, enchanted by dreams of the fortune and glory, gifted by enslavement to the McComic system.

There are several others worthy of mention, they are a little smarter than our protagonists here, not so easily traceable and astute enough to realise that one day, the whole mess would be exposed to public scrutiny and covered their tracks. The big question for them is of course, has the covering been good enough to fool an expert tracker?

Time will tell and we shall see, I expect; but it is all rather disgusting, ain't it?

Aye well – better clean up the decks, if we are to have guests that is: the last lot left a hellish mess behind...Toot toot.

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Grrr Sharp Trust

So...

Seeing with my own eyes, from may last year, Sharp and Truss have been working together, enhancing REX, whilst under investigation is reasonably questionable.
Knowing that REX donated 250k to the Political parties, just before the release of the ATSB report on Pel-Air. There had been NO DONATIONS since 2004. Long absence, timing is questionable.
The cutting of a REX Aircraft cake with a shiny knife, holding hands and smiling, close to the same place NGA broke in two is sickening and insensitive.
Your welcome REX/Pel-Air!
Pel-Air glorified by Sharp until realisation of "oh ****" this is not good. Questionable
Pel-Air are found to be FACTUALLY well and truly an incompetent operator. Historically and in November 2009. No more gloating from Sharp. Questionable
CASAs own report, again, "oh ****" this reflect poorly on CASAs oversight.
ATSB report. A deflection of the truth. Questionable
Senate. Once again, kept quiet, apart from the aviation audience really.
No recommendations to date. FIRST RECOMMENDATION, No. Questionable
Truss commissioned report. ASRR. Final release, with comments. Not yet. Questionable
Canucks invited to do "INDEPENDENT" report on methodologies, blah blah. Over a year ago. Before commencement, dialogue personally with Canuck Boss. Told when team assembled, and on Oz ground, they will contact us. We (occupants of NGA) were to be interviewed, initially. March, 2014 I ask, where are you, have you been and gone? Dialogue swift change to the versed MoU between Canuck and ATSB. Refer any questions to the ATSB. Yeah right.
Asked recently about the release date. Editing needs to be completed. By whom. Canuck replies, ATSB, CASA. Canuck then said..."speak with ATSB if you have any concerns. Report will hopefully be ready by Canucky Autumn. Geez, thanks.
Had hope with the NTSB. What lies beneath.
This is NOT an independent review!!
Accidentally put through to NTSB Media. Spoke with fellow, he had no idea about the investigation. Told him and he asked for an email. Send, send, send.
Every avenue needs to be explored if we want to continue to have the truth.
Aviation Safety, needs special attention. Industry input required.

Truss may not be able to change regulation, CASA should have a postcode like the Vatican. Protected by their own written laws. Which can change as they please. Distorted how they wish. Absent as they were and still are. Enter insurance companies. This is one hell of a sick game.

Exit McSkull. Leaving a trail of destructive lies whilst he sits comfortably, no conscious, job well done. Enjoy your retirement. Pat on the back by the blinded mass media. Not informed of the Aviation situation, therefore not concerned.

Good one MM. Spoke to you too. Confirmed twice verbally, no protection prior to ditching, no law protection post. Montreal, Common, Jurisdiction. Insurers for P/A are having a fine time playing the Insurance Aviation Game of Shame. To me it feels like a Slow, painful punishment. I believe (as do many others in the same situation) that their tactics are to make the matter so drawn out in time, financially cripple, handcuff your life, with the intent of beating down, a snail pace of murdering. Greedy lot. Bring it!

Shadow Albo, turned his back on us. Whilst in office, didn't even have the report on his desk. True. Have proof in FOI.

ShaTruss are entwined for the benefit of an airline involved in an International Crash. First of its kind in the country. REX/Pel-Air get there **** together, with the little helping hand. Once again, your welcome! Sharps history as Minister for Tpt would certainly help dampen the "incident".

The creation of ShaTruss begins. On ya REX. Glad to see you are doing well. Keep drowning the voices that lived. Long ago and insignificant now.
My voice will soon boom. The Aviation Industry's Voices are booming. The voices needs to be heard. Not ignored. Learning, advancement, keeping large and small Aviation business alive, not creating Monopolies that influence our Gov'Mutts and Guv'Mutes. It can be done, safely.

As DP, Truss may not be able to break through to the CASA Castle with the Bureaucrats lazy, unaccountable laws regarding regulation...BUT...

He has the authority to release reports. Its in his job description.
Push and shove us, we push shove back!
Mr Truss HAS the authority to release reports. He just has to say it!

Simple Request from your concerned citizens. Just do it. Release and rectify with transparency. Unedited please Mr Truss. Mrdak, pointless even trying to get through to you. Please keep your hands off the Canucks report. The MrDak stamp of approved crap is not required.

Unfriggin believable, all of this. What is going on?

EH- you are next to explain this mess. Start reading! Long, complex and disturbing.
Contact you soon.


Stay safe in those magnificent flying machines all.

Ziggy

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