Qantas sick of the 380

[GENKI]

if you take into consideration that no union can take any form of industrial action now as a result of workchoices, what do you expect the FAAA to do?

They make their views known, but the members are generally Pi** weak so even when they could have action the majority of members said under no circumstances would they take any form of action.

the union is only as strong as its weakest link. Take the fact that unions have less than 20% membership and the FAAA has over 90% i would suggest that they must be doing something right.

As for boycotting a drinks... i think it was largely symbolic.. but you can bet your boots the usual suckholes will turn up and these are the people that wouldnt follow a union direction even if it was given.

I think that the FAAA does a better job that most unions and FAAA members are better informed about whats going on than anyone working on the ground. i dont see many union officials who are still employed by Qantas taking such a principled public stand and making such comments....

Perhaps stubby you will say something publicly yourself and not behind anonymity? I know that crew down here in Melbourne are very appreciative that someone in the FAAA had the guts to tell the Company what we are all thinking and cant say ourselves for fear of retribution... they are bringing the media into it as well .... what would you do??

[dizzylizzy]

Hate to tell you but the 763 Y/c svc works very efficiently with 4crew, not sure what the 5th crew in Y/c would do - it doesn't take that long to setup carts/duty free ect.

But then again I've not experienced 763 operating with 5 Y/c crew so I guess I'm not sure what I'm missing out on? Maybe an extra cuppa tea?

[Bumpfoh]

cart lift

How bout instead of refusing to go to a cocktail party... the FAAA actually start demanding a reduction in service to reflect the reduction of cabin crew? Would that not be a simple cause-and-effect argument?

Carty, nice sentiment and no doubt that is how I would feel too but from QF mgmt perspective I could quite confiendently say that rather than take notice of the discontent and the resulting negative impact on the paying punters they would instead go straight for the don't f@#k with us attitude and claim the unprotected industrial action line and march the FAAA into FWA for some half arsed political stunt whuch would no doubt have some traction with the p1ss weak commissioners who would at times appear to be on the QF payroll themselves, alledgedly that is.

[dizzylizzy]

... i'm beginning to think certain people don't want to work any harder, not realising how good they actually have it...

[skybed]

dizzy take a break

you sound like coming from a low cost carrier!
its about safety and not the extra cup of tea. yes the FAAA could demand a number of things but they haven't got the guts to stand up. thers is a thing called work value case, there is a thing called casa one needs to lobby, there is a thing called challenging QF perception of safety standards eg risk assessment. there has been a risk assessment with many questions being brushed aside by QF,and so on and on. There are several avenues to explore but lets not go to the cocktail party amateurs, thats all i can say. if they are so confident why not bring forward the next FAAA election? You will see a change

[stubby jumbo]

.......you beat me to the punch skybed.

Agree, the inference from Lizzy is that we are just the "usual bunch" of overfed, wingers not prepared to move with the times and work hard / harder.

This decision should be about SAFETY.....nothing else.

Having been in a few hairy moments over the years,discussing critical incidents in Human Factors and watching a fair few ep's Air Crash Investigations.......reducing crew numbers can have a serious impact on Able Bodied Persons -post a critical incident. Just read the ATSB Report from the QF72. How many crew were left ...post the "event" to provide follow up duties to pax??????

So its time to move beyond the " Oh....it will never happen to me" or "I'm a fatalist" scenario and take a stand.

And yes, I have written to CASA to voice my concerns on this issue and signed my name.
I gave up voicing my concerns to QF " Management" -when after a long sector I came in and reported(both verbally and in writing-yes signed Lizzy !) a serious safety breach......to be told :
"GO HOME -HAVE A SLEEP AND I WILL CALL YOU BACK"

.........................I'm still waiting for the call

[standard unit]

dizzylizzy appears to reinforce the stereotypical image of a domestic flight attendant with a chip on their shoulder.

[dizzylizzy]

Me? Domestic?

A QCCA thank you.