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The friendly testers were up at LST this morning and caught one of the VB cabin crew over the limit, resulted in an hour delay whilst they waited for the crew members alcohol level to come down.
I very much doubt that the delay was due to waiting for his/her limit to come down. The crew member would have been stood down from all duties pending investigation. The delay was most likely caused by bringing in another crew member overnighting in LST.
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I did question the "wait for the level to lower" as well, that's what the ground crew said. Any how, I'm sure the said cabin crew member would have had some explaining to do.....
Being that the only other crew available would have been off the over nighting aircraft, what is the minimum rest break for VB crews?
The hour delay would have been sourcing another crew member from the hotel
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Min Rest wouldn't really matter.
Just get the crew member on board till the next port and run the duty as a split duty,
fire p%$s head CC,
problem solved!
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Just get the crew member on board till the next port and run the duty as a split duty,
fire p%$s head CC,
problem solved!
Welcome to zero tolarance!
I can't agree less.
For gods sake when I joined the airlines there was none of this crap.
The last time there was an incident because a cabin crue member had a hangover was NEVER. NOT EVER EVER EVER.
Wake up you idiots, there's not problem with a hung over FA who is still just over, they were just enjoying one of the few benefits of their demanding jobs the night before.
Someone moved the goal posts and it's just not required.
Personally I would prefer as a huge consumer nowdays of airline services to have a crew who wanted to be there than a crew who were scaired they might be over the limit from a great party the night before.
WTF is wrong with this country when it looses perspective of reality ?
Half the airlines in the world still let the cabin crew smoke in the dunnies yet in precious little Australia we breath test them here now to see who we can snigger at for the sake of being caught out.
That's just singling out the air crew as targets, but the law makes paraihs out of baggage handellers who are stoned and engineers as well. Cleaners too !!!!!!!
God damn it who are the only people left who can work in aircraft ????? Drug test most ground workers and the security guards carrying out the tests and you simply won't have any aeroplanes moving tomorrow.
For gods sake when I joined the airlines there was none of this crap.
The last time there was an incident because a cabin crue member had a hangover was NEVER. NOT EVER EVER EVER.
Wake up you idiots, there's not problem with a hung over FA who is still just over, they were just enjoying one of the few benefits of their demanding jobs the night before.
Someone moved the goal posts and it's just not required.
Personally I would prefer as a huge consumer nowdays of airline services to have a crew who wanted to be there than a crew who were scaired they might be over the limit from a great party the night before.
WTF is wrong with this country when it looses perspective of reality ?
Half the airlines in the world still let the cabin crew smoke in the dunnies yet in precious little Australia we breath test them here now to see who we can snigger at for the sake of being caught out.
That's just singling out the air crew as targets, but the law makes paraihs out of baggage handellers who are stoned and engineers as well. Cleaners too !!!!!!!
God damn it who are the only people left who can work in aircraft ????? Drug test most ground workers and the security guards carrying out the tests and you simply won't have any aeroplanes moving tomorrow.
Assuming of course that the person concerned WAS actually over - as the rumours suggest (sorry if persons here do have good first hand info)...
Part of the problem with this testing is the actual test, if I understand things correctly. Was it alcohol, was it something else, a headache tablet perhaps - that shouldn't have been taken according to DAMP rules, but are you going to stand yourself down or get back to your family/friends/home?
In general, I guess now sometimes your choice is going to be exactly that -
(1) fly with a headache
(2) stand down
[or (3) take a risk]
So I tend to agree with arkmark too... Some of this stuff is completely over the top. One more thing - I seem to recall various calls for Cost/Benefit analysis justifying DAMP's introduction being called for during the "consultation" period. Well, I never saw any at any rate...
CR.
Part of the problem with this testing is the actual test, if I understand things correctly. Was it alcohol, was it something else, a headache tablet perhaps - that shouldn't have been taken according to DAMP rules, but are you going to stand yourself down or get back to your family/friends/home?
In general, I guess now sometimes your choice is going to be exactly that -
(1) fly with a headache
(2) stand down
[or (3) take a risk]
So I tend to agree with arkmark too... Some of this stuff is completely over the top. One more thing - I seem to recall various calls for Cost/Benefit analysis justifying DAMP's introduction being called for during the "consultation" period. Well, I never saw any at any rate...
CR.
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Half the airlines in the world still let the cabin crew smoke in the dunnies
As to people being 'pinged', a positive doesn't necessarily equal drunk, it just means "something" has given a positive reading that could turn out to be false.
You can't condemn the guy until you have a proper test result in your hands. Quite possible for any of us to unknowingly bust a limit, especially if self-medicating allergies, headache, flu and flying between countries which have different ideas of what can and can't take before/during a duty.
Arkmark I hope you're not crew you seem to have entirely missed the point of people being 'fit' for duty... maybe a hungover CC hasn't been a direct cause to an "incident" (yet) but it would have some implications on their performance and certainly moreso in an emergency. While I agree with yor statement about some things being "nanny state" I do not agree that coming to work excessively hungover is acceptable for a cabin crew. Party, but do it responsibly. God knows we get days off to do it!
