Pilot who failed test must pay for training: Court

[Biggles78]

Originally Posted by TBM-Legend

If you flunk at Uni in the final exam you don't get your fees refunded or waived....

But you do have redress if your lecturer/tutor folds their arms and says "I've given up on you".

With very few exceptions, there are NO bad students only BAD teachers. This "student" seems to have shown he can hand fly the areoplane but just needs a tad more time to learn the automatics. From what I have read of the transcript, his training schedule and the issue with the Training Captain were not conductive to a good learning regime. Apart from the automatics issue in the last 30NM he seems to have done alright.

Wonder how many of their upcoming cadets would have to confidence to manually take her down?

[waren9]

Ok, so the dude had no energy management skills and possibly trouble with automation use.

Yes, I have no doubt he got a sh1t training deal but the initial check to line is not exactly a very high hurdle...

If 300hr cadets can get the idea..........

[AerocatS2A]

But you do have redress if your lecturer/tutor folds their arms and says "I've given up on you".

You have redress against that specific lecturer but you don't get to skip out on paying for another lecturer who did his job properly. Why is this so difficult? He got an endorsement and he's required to pay for it. What's that got to do with failing his line training?

If I go to the supermarket and buy some butter and then go back and get a loaf of bread only to find it's moldy, I don't get reimbursed for the butter.

The guy joined the company knowing he had to pay for his endorsement. He got an endorsement and now he's trying to get out of paying it. If he had problems with his line training then he should have addressed the actual issue.

[FlexibleResponse]

I am old school...and I say that any Airline should pay for all training costs on any equipment that any worker needs to operate as part of any contract with said Airline...

Any Airline should pay all training costs, period, final, all said and dusted and suffer the consequences or reap the benefits of said training.

But, then again I am old school.

How many passengers will the budget Airlines management kill with the new 200 hour trainee pilots in the right seat?

But I suppose that is like budget Airlines management saying an aileron control running un-commanded and flexing a wing up one and down one metre is not a safety hazard and is not worth reporting to the ATSB?

[Flying Spag Monster]

I am not familiar with J*'s training system nor until this thread took much interest in the pay for training condition of their employment. But I am now a little stunned by the implication that this case displays. It would appear that J* has no training risk what so ever, if a trainee fails there is no financial loss to the company. How can they be a responsible partner in a pilot's training when they don't share the risk? Is there any incentive to provide extra training where it might be needed? And what of the added pressure on a checker if he/she knows that chopping a trainee will cost them big dollars. I know that you can't have poor performers flying the jets but it is another pressure on the checker none the less.

In my experience there are two main reasons people fail a course of training. One is the training provided to them was inadequate for the task and the second is they should not have been selected for the course in the first place. Both of these responsibilities rest with the company yet they would appear not to have any obligation attached. There will always be some people who fail a course despite the best selection process and the best training offered to them and that's a good sign that the required pass standard is set about right. But that is a risk attached to the training system, and should not be carried by the individual because it is then in direct conflict with that system.

Where is Australian aviation heading??

[Sue Ridgepipe]

Where is Australian aviation heading??

It's already there. Where have you been for the last few years?

[Karunch]

And now starting to bring the entire region down. No wonder the anti Jet* sentiment is so pervasive.