Pac Blue pulls out of NZ Domestic OPS
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The aircraft that are being removed from the NZ domestic market are being re-deployed on international routes EX AUSTRALIA, not ex NZ. So ALL the international flying which at present is rightfully operated by VB, is being shifted to the lower cost base. End result...on this decision, a VB command upgrade course of 12 has been "deferred", F/O recruitment has been "deferred", and almost simultaneously an EOI released for VB crew to transfer to PB, on PB T & C's.
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VB to PB
And why would VB pilots transfer to PB if the T&Cs are less....
wouldnt that defeat the whole purpose of OZ pilots UNITING against such schemes?
Lets see what unfolds....good luck to all
wouldnt that defeat the whole purpose of OZ pilots UNITING against such schemes?
Lets see what unfolds....good luck to all
Burty, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention the secondment!
You're not comparing apples with apples. The VB/PB secondment was nothing more than a TEMPORARY stop gap solution to a crew shortfall at PB, seems pilot retention is a bit of an issue over there?? It was a short-term arrangement, and i'm pretty sure the small handfull of guys have all returned to VB.
If you want to put the shoe on the other foot, a comparable scenario would be if overnight VB were to operate trans-tasman, overnight in CHC and AKL, then operate out through the pacific and back, resulting instantly in cancelled PB command courses, and F/O recruitment. This would severely stunt your growth prospects, and you would be understandably annoyed.
It is not my intention to turn this into a VB vs PB stoush, but where do you believe the line should be drawn?
You're not comparing apples with apples. The VB/PB secondment was nothing more than a TEMPORARY stop gap solution to a crew shortfall at PB, seems pilot retention is a bit of an issue over there?? It was a short-term arrangement, and i'm pretty sure the small handfull of guys have all returned to VB.
If you want to put the shoe on the other foot, a comparable scenario would be if overnight VB were to operate trans-tasman, overnight in CHC and AKL, then operate out through the pacific and back, resulting instantly in cancelled PB command courses, and F/O recruitment. This would severely stunt your growth prospects, and you would be understandably annoyed.
It is not my intention to turn this into a VB vs PB stoush, but where do you believe the line should be drawn?
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I think you miss my point this is not good but if a roster turns up with brisbane darwin bali in it and some one on an individual contract says no, i really dont know what sort of positition he puts hinself in in relation to NZ industrial law hence the reason for the coment regarding being a member of a union, me thinks a good idea if you want to make a stand on this issue which we should!
Agreed, this should not turn into a VB vs PB.
I have no beef with VB crew and do not have any ambition to operate domestic sectors inside Aust, that is my line in the sand and I'm am sure I would speak for the majority of PB crew. Unfortunately we have some of your ex 89' brethren on this side of the tasman who would be only too willing to please and they are the ones to watch...
I have no beef with VB crew and do not have any ambition to operate domestic sectors inside Aust, that is my line in the sand and I'm am sure I would speak for the majority of PB crew. Unfortunately we have some of your ex 89' brethren on this side of the tasman who would be only too willing to please and they are the ones to watch...
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Some very valid points here.
However, could we all get on the same wavelength.
No line in the sand, no sectors stealing and definitely no command grabbing etc...
This is purely about the exploitation of the NZ labour laws and industrial status quo. What we need to see is our NZ comrades, operating the B737 in the Virgin group receiving pay and conditions on par with their Australian counterparts.
This is what it is all about. Abuse of the mutual recognition bill and open skies policy between Australia and New Zealand and an attempt at offshoring the labour to the lowest cost domain....
Address this and we will ALL live happily ever after. Kiwi or Aussie.
That is except for the footy and cricket.
However, could we all get on the same wavelength.
No line in the sand, no sectors stealing and definitely no command grabbing etc...
This is purely about the exploitation of the NZ labour laws and industrial status quo. What we need to see is our NZ comrades, operating the B737 in the Virgin group receiving pay and conditions on par with their Australian counterparts.
This is what it is all about. Abuse of the mutual recognition bill and open skies policy between Australia and New Zealand and an attempt at offshoring the labour to the lowest cost domain....
Address this and we will ALL live happily ever after. Kiwi or Aussie.
That is except for the footy and cricket.
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5% of the pilots unhappy at pac blue !!!
Its more like 95% unhappy and looking for other flying jobs. Most of the pilots so negative and upset with failed promises once again from managment
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If you want to make the move NOW is the time while the window of opportunity is there esp M.East/Asia.
PB will always be the puppet of VB and the jetstar of Qantas.
Promises by Mangmnt be like a scratched CD...you next for upgrade...your next...your next....your.next....6 slots later.......your next......1 year later.......your next....
wouldnt anyone want to leave..
Safe Flying
PB will always be the puppet of VB and the jetstar of Qantas.
Promises by Mangmnt be like a scratched CD...you next for upgrade...your next...your next....your.next....6 slots later.......your next......1 year later.......your next....
wouldnt anyone want to leave..Safe Flying
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Its more like 95% unhappy and looking for other flying jobs. Most of the pilots so negative and upset with failed promises once again from managment
Promises by Mangmnt be like a scratched CD...you next for upgrade...your next...your next....your.next....6 slots later.......your next......1 year later.......your next....
wouldnt anyone want to leave..
wouldnt anyone want to leave..
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I agree with what someone else said. If you are at PB and have another opportunity then go. Don't hope and wait for them to do something. They will cut you the second they don't need you and VB will cut or close PB the second they don't need them either. All these Furfies that they will get Widebodies etc are just that. Your doing the same job as VB pilots, flying Vb planes and employed by VB but getting less money as a captain than what a VB Fo gets. You all deserve better.
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The ship is sinking people. 2 captain's resigned last mon, 1 the week before(2 are training captain's), 4 F/O's leaving over the next 2 months and some having interviews as we speek. I think this is just the start of it. Almost everyone I talk to have their CV's out even the guys who used to say that they would be here till they retire. I think the only way things will get any better is to wipe the current management out completely and start again. No one has any respect for any of the current management team including SA as he was the one who employed the problem child. We have heard their lies for too long and now the rot has set in. It will be interesting to see the galop poll results. I bet it's more than 5% not happy!!
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Another pilot just resigned from crap blue in last few days, thats about 12 in last 6 months. (5 in the last week) Rats are leaving a sinking ship. Lifestyle what lifestyle !!!!!!!!!
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The problem child and his team put out a newsletter delaying the PB NZ crew takeover of Bali flights until March from Dec REASON No crew!!....
so they think by delaying this plan pilots will just suddenly stop leaving I think JB gotta conference call the CHC Management and ask what the is going on with these resignations and the Samoan government is seriously looking at bailing out of the VB deal for Polyblue and reignite Polynesian...
so they think by delaying this plan pilots will just suddenly stop leaving I think JB gotta conference call the CHC Management and ask what the
is going on with these resignations and the Samoan government is seriously looking at bailing out of the VB deal for Polyblue and reignite Polynesian...
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True, I'm sure they expected some attrition once things started to come right after the GFC but I don't know if they expected quite as much as they are getting (or about to get) and yes they are losing training capts to jq. They are losing people faster than they can train them. Most of they guys in the recruitment pool have been telling them where to go when they call them up with a start date and only the desperate ones are coming. They have been relying on people wanting to live in NZ for the lifestyle and put up with the crap $ but the reality is there is no lifestyle here anymore. When you are doing 5 day trips back to back with 1-2 days at home per week doing 80-90 hrs per month with no incentive pay and a roster that changes daily you may as well be overseas earning $. They are already so short of crew they have had to cancel flights and apparently could hardly write this months roster. I have no idea how they thought they were going to crew the Bali flights. VB must be asking questions. The problem child and his fellow management (if you you can call them managers) have driven the place into ruin, just like they did at jetconnect before they came over to PB.
True, I'm sure they expected some attrition once things started to come right after the GFC but I don't know if they expected quite as much as they are getting (or about to get) and yes they are losing training capts to jq. They are losing people faster than they can train them. Most of they guys in the recruitment pool have been telling them where to go when they call them up with a start date and only the desperate ones are coming. They have been relying on people wanting to live in NZ for the lifestyle and put up with the crap $ but the reality is there is no lifestyle here anymore. When you are doing 5 day trips back to back with 1-2 days at home per week doing 80-90 hrs per month with no incentive pay and a roster that changes daily you may as well be overseas earning $. They are already so short of crew they have had to cancel flights and apparently could hardly write this months roster. I have no idea how they thought they were going to crew the Bali flights. VB must be asking questions. The problem child and his fellow management (if you you can call them managers) have driven the place into ruin, just like they did at jetconnect before they came over to PB.
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PB have also taken the axe to Engr's, not that there were many to begin with. Standby for MEL's and defects to rise, perhaps a more frequent AOG.
The sooner VB take it all over, the better everyone will be.
The sooner VB take it all over, the better everyone will be.
the better
