QF Brings forward 787 deliveries by two years
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Roguesville, cloud cuckooland
Posts: 1,197
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
5 Posts
QF Brings forward 787 deliveries by two years
Let the games begin. The EBA shortly to be negotiated by mainline now assumes critical status.
Qantas accelerates 787 delivery
Qantas gets early date with new Boeing 787 Dreamliner | The Australian
Qantas accelerates 787 delivery
Qantas gets early date with new Boeing 787 Dreamliner | The Australian
Last edited by Capt Kremin; 14th Jul 2010 at 00:11.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
See below Analysts' Note of 14/07/2010 to Qantas Investors:
Qantas has announced that it will now take delivery of eight 787-8s from mid-2012 with the delivery period likely to be 12-18 months. This announcement has brought forward the delivery of the 787-8 by around two years; we had previously anticipated deliveries to begin in early FY15.
All of the eight new 787-8s will be delivered to Jetstar International. The eight new aircraft will be configured for low fare international operations with 313 seats across two classes including some StarClass (International business class) seats.
Qantas has advised that:
· The first fifteen 787s it receives will all be allocated to Jetstar International. These deliveries will allow Jetstar to transfer its A330-200s across to the Qantas Mainline business which will allow for the retirement of some of Qantas B767-300ERs,
· Jetstar International will have twelve A330-200s by FY12, each with 303 seats,
· All 27 of Qantas' 767-300ERs have 254 seats. Qantas is expected to retire its 767-300 aircraft with the Rolls Royce engine, of which there are seven. Retirement is likely to be on at least a 1 for 1 basis against new aircraft, but some flexibility will be retained around this figure and retirement of the older fleet may be as high as 2 for 1 depending on capacity growth plans at the time,
· In total Qantas will acquire 15 787-8s and 35 787-9s. Qantas will take delivery of the remaining seven 787-8s and 35 787-9s from 2014. These deliveries will allow for the full retirement of the existing 767-300ER fleet.
ASX announcement available from:http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2010071...x1wcx38njk.pdf
Think United!
Qantas has announced that it will now take delivery of eight 787-8s from mid-2012 with the delivery period likely to be 12-18 months. This announcement has brought forward the delivery of the 787-8 by around two years; we had previously anticipated deliveries to begin in early FY15.
All of the eight new 787-8s will be delivered to Jetstar International. The eight new aircraft will be configured for low fare international operations with 313 seats across two classes including some StarClass (International business class) seats.
Qantas has advised that:
· The first fifteen 787s it receives will all be allocated to Jetstar International. These deliveries will allow Jetstar to transfer its A330-200s across to the Qantas Mainline business which will allow for the retirement of some of Qantas B767-300ERs,
· Jetstar International will have twelve A330-200s by FY12, each with 303 seats,
· All 27 of Qantas' 767-300ERs have 254 seats. Qantas is expected to retire its 767-300 aircraft with the Rolls Royce engine, of which there are seven. Retirement is likely to be on at least a 1 for 1 basis against new aircraft, but some flexibility will be retained around this figure and retirement of the older fleet may be as high as 2 for 1 depending on capacity growth plans at the time,
· In total Qantas will acquire 15 787-8s and 35 787-9s. Qantas will take delivery of the remaining seven 787-8s and 35 787-9s from 2014. These deliveries will allow for the full retirement of the existing 767-300ER fleet.
Think United!
Last edited by WoodenEye; 14th Jul 2010 at 01:03. Reason: Inclusion of ASX Announcement
I can't see QF replacing that many 767's with domestic A330's as they don't have the bays to fit that wingspan.
Although they will have the same problem with the 787 but I'm sure someone in QF has realised that already?
Although they will have the same problem with the 787 but I'm sure someone in QF has realised that already?
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tallong NSW
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Don't know if this should be in the Jetstar overseas jobs thread or here, but Sandilands is reporting the deliveries in the context of their being based in Singapore.
Quote: In short, there are some important issues that will need to be determined in a concrete way before the ambitions for a large offshoring of Qantas activity can be achieved, in contravention of the purpose and intent of the Qantas Sale Act, by a subsidiary that didn’t exist when it was drafted late in 1992.
Jetstar locks onto Europe, and the offshoring of Qantas jobs, with ‘early’ 787s – Plane Talking
If that happens won't Borghetti shovel as much of Virgin Blue offshore as he can too?
Quote: In short, there are some important issues that will need to be determined in a concrete way before the ambitions for a large offshoring of Qantas activity can be achieved, in contravention of the purpose and intent of the Qantas Sale Act, by a subsidiary that didn’t exist when it was drafted late in 1992.
Jetstar locks onto Europe, and the offshoring of Qantas jobs, with ‘early’ 787s – Plane Talking
If that happens won't Borghetti shovel as much of Virgin Blue offshore as he can too?
Jetstar will get the first 15 787s in a two-class configuration with 313 seats, allowing the low-cost carrier’s A330-200s to move to Qantas and permitting the full-service airline to retire its aging Boeing 767-300ERs.
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: The Land Downunder
Posts: 765
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Don't think it is saying that J* will ONLY get 15, just that the first 15 will go to jetstar with the remaining 35 to be allocated as they see fit. I have heard too that just because the first 15 are going to J* doesn't naturally mean that all 15 will be flying around in J* colours or config. J* pilots and crew flying Qantas coloured aircraft based in Singapore and Auckland. Sounds far fetched, but then again this is J*.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You raise a good point AH. Have been trying to think what kind of instrument would prevent, as you point out:
And must admit, that other than an enterprise award where Qantas has agreed to pay all pilots flying B787s in Qantas livery the enterprise rate, must admit that nothing else comes readily to mind.
With the benefit of hindsight, Clause 3 in the Terms of Settlement of LHEBA8-(2008-)
Would seem to be worth even more than the B744 pay rates that went with it.
Let’s hope it’s not another case of you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone?
(Offshore) J* pilots and crew flying Qantas coloured aircraft based in Singapore and Auckland
With the benefit of hindsight, Clause 3 in the Terms of Settlement of LHEBA8-(2008-)
....the Company has agreed that the B787 in Qantas livery will be introduced pursuant to clause D5 of the Agreement...
Let’s hope it’s not another case of you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone?
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Personally I am not aware of anything, other than an agreement between AIPA and Qantas, that this will not be done, that will prevent this happening Woody.
Would you please outline how you think this concern can be allayed, if it can?
Would you please outline how you think this concern can be allayed, if it can?
The eight new aircraft will be configured for low fare international operations with 313 seats across two classes including some StarClass (International business class) seats.
Would you please outline how you think this concern can be allayed, if it can?
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: australia
Age: 74
Posts: 907
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
woody744Ian, 76% said NO to your EBA and over 90% said YES to the rollover... Move on
Very selective response there Woody744!
How do you explain an identical outcome from the previous Shorthaul vote???????
Guess what with a huge no vote the Shorthaul negotiators were able to go back to the company and renegotiate the more contentious items that stuck in the pilots craw ,ending up with an almost identical outcome as you've outline with what occured with EBA8.
Who's to say the same would not have occured if Team Bazza hadn't have done what they did????
Woodeneye a question if I may, this Clause 3 of the settlement,
when did Borghetti sign off on it? Was it soon after he got told he wasn't going to get the top gig? A pique of outrage?
Is this why Team Bazza got rid of EBA8????
As has been hinted at by others ,did their masters instruct them to?
If EBA8 had remained no way the coming 787's could then be flown under the Jetconnect AOC.
Qantas painted aeroplanes, Qantas uniformed crew, NZ contract, but it 'aint Qantas!
This was one senario put forward by a Com member I was talking with recently, any possibility?
Very selective response there Woody744!
How do you explain an identical outcome from the previous Shorthaul vote???????
Guess what with a huge no vote the Shorthaul negotiators were able to go back to the company and renegotiate the more contentious items that stuck in the pilots craw ,ending up with an almost identical outcome as you've outline with what occured with EBA8.
Who's to say the same would not have occured if Team Bazza hadn't have done what they did????
Woodeneye a question if I may, this Clause 3 of the settlement,
when did Borghetti sign off on it? Was it soon after he got told he wasn't going to get the top gig? A pique of outrage?
Is this why Team Bazza got rid of EBA8????
As has been hinted at by others ,did their masters instruct them to?
If EBA8 had remained no way the coming 787's could then be flown under the Jetconnect AOC.
Qantas painted aeroplanes, Qantas uniformed crew, NZ contract, but it 'aint Qantas!
This was one senario put forward by a Com member I was talking with recently, any possibility?
Last edited by blow.n.gasket; 14th Jul 2010 at 08:10.
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: out there
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So what does this mean for mainline employment(or lack thereof)?
By the sound of things any 787s that QF do get will simply be replacing 767s
Will QF need to hire in the next 5 years?
By the sound of things any 787s that QF do get will simply be replacing 767s
Will QF need to hire in the next 5 years?
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Q1 When did Borghetti sign off on LHEBA8?
Q2. Was it soon after he (Borghetti) got told he wasn't going to get the top gig?
Q3. Why did Team Bazza get rid of EBA8?
How much Clause 3 in the Terms of Settlement of LHEBA8, had to do with what then went down, I don’t know. However, I can say that JB lost skin & hair fighting for Qantas’ A330 operation and suspect he was passed over because he was not a strong enough supporter of what’s on foot?
Think United!
Last edited by WoodenEye; 14th Jul 2010 at 09:42. Reason: Font Change
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Matt O’Sullivan said today (15 Jul 2010):
“The company wants to have the flexibility of transferring aircraft between the two brands....a signal that the low-cost offshoot could service the bulk of its international routes within the next decade.”
Think United!
“The company wants to have the flexibility of transferring aircraft between the two brands....a signal that the low-cost offshoot could service the bulk of its international routes within the next decade.”
Think United!
I can say that JB lost skin & hair fighting for Qantas’ A330 operation and suspect he was passed over because he was not a strong enough supporter of what’s on foot?
Still management give JQ the new 787's QF desperately needs. JB gets the flick for staying loyal to the brand.
Funny....I think he is going to achieve more for QF now than before.
WoodenEye,
You sign-off each of your posts with an upbeat, inclusive slogan
yet the context of your posts seem completely at odds with this statement.
You spend most of your time on PPrune attacking "Team Bazza", deriding their handling of the Qantas Sale Act case and promoting the long dead EBA8. All these comments lead to a divided union membership aligned behind COM members in a factional dispute.
Why don't you practice what you preach, start to "Think United!" and stop attacking your colleagues.
You sign-off each of your posts with an upbeat, inclusive slogan
Think United!
You spend most of your time on PPrune attacking "Team Bazza", deriding their handling of the Qantas Sale Act case and promoting the long dead EBA8. All these comments lead to a divided union membership aligned behind COM members in a factional dispute.
Why don't you practice what you preach, start to "Think United!" and stop attacking your colleagues.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Seems you missed the comment below BB?
"If AIPA’s upcoming Fair Work Case gets a favourable result and the yet to negotiated LHEBA 8 is better than LHEBA 8 Offer rejected on TS's advice in 2008, expect members will be happy and the TB Administration well remembered.
On the other hand, should the Fair Work Case flop, LHEBA8 2011 be a disappointment and “Jetstar Global’ initiatives now unfolding be applied to any merger of Qantas with say, BA/CX sometime next year; the crowd will want to blame someone/something other than their own lack of interest/determination and history will be the judge."
Yep, Think United! It's probably the only way forward?
"If AIPA’s upcoming Fair Work Case gets a favourable result and the yet to negotiated LHEBA 8 is better than LHEBA 8 Offer rejected on TS's advice in 2008, expect members will be happy and the TB Administration well remembered.
On the other hand, should the Fair Work Case flop, LHEBA8 2011 be a disappointment and “Jetstar Global’ initiatives now unfolding be applied to any merger of Qantas with say, BA/CX sometime next year; the crowd will want to blame someone/something other than their own lack of interest/determination and history will be the judge."
Yep, Think United! It's probably the only way forward?
