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Neville Nobody, I'm almost cretin that employment in Australia under a different countries employment laws is illegal. No super, taxed elsewhere.........................and would ultimately become a burden on the AU tax system. I'd put money on it that if a loophole was opened, the pollies/ATO and other bureaucracies would make a VERY BIG deal out of it. VB are not that stupid when it comes to PR.
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Dehav.driver: Yes, copied your reply from my:
"That was all off the PB (Aust) AoC anyway, on wet-lease. VB also got an International Aoc, early in the piece, for the Malaysia/Indo/PNG"
Timing is everything.
I won't go into it right now as things are very fluid... standby 1 !
"That was all off the PB (Aust) AoC anyway, on wet-lease. VB also got an International Aoc, early in the piece, for the Malaysia/Indo/PNG"
Timing is everything.
I won't go into it right now as things are very fluid... standby 1 !
Hell not VB and NZ. 
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Air New Zealand response to media speculation
Air New Zealand today became aware of media speculation that it is in discussions with Virgin Blue regarding a potential trans-Tasman alliance.
Air New Zealand confirms that the airlines have been in ongoing discussions for several months but no agreement has been reached.
Air New Zealand will not comment further on speculation related to these discussions but will advise markets as required if an agreement is concluded.
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Air New Zealand response to media speculation
Air New Zealand today became aware of media speculation that it is in discussions with Virgin Blue regarding a potential trans-Tasman alliance.
Air New Zealand confirms that the airlines have been in ongoing discussions for several months but no agreement has been reached.
Air New Zealand will not comment further on speculation related to these discussions but will advise markets as required if an agreement is concluded.
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Your posts already 'tell us what you know' - You are full of crap !
Have fun friday night,all the lads know that you will be the first one buying BG drinks. Kiss kiss.
If only I could tell you what I know - Seriously though I would be looking for another job if I let the proverbial out of the bag but it's gonna be HUGE 
Have fun friday night,all the lads know that you will be the first one buying BG drinks. Kiss kiss.
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Virgin Blue & Air New Zealand have both applied to the respective authorities for a broad codeshare on the Tasman routes (excl PolyBlue)
combined with FF earning / redemption and Lounge access for their members.
Broad code share means that an trip from Karratha to Nelson could be booked on all DJ codes or all NZ codes.
This is only the start, something much bigger is about to happen (as NeedABiggerHammer has alluded to) stay tuned.
I could spill the beans here and I would not lose my job, but I may lose some privileges DJ bestow upon me and my ilk, so it is best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
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combined with FF earning / redemption and Lounge access for their members.
Broad code share means that an trip from Karratha to Nelson could be booked on all DJ codes or all NZ codes.
This is only the start, something much bigger is about to happen (as NeedABiggerHammer has alluded to) stay tuned.
I could spill the beans here and I would not lose my job, but I may lose some privileges DJ bestow upon me and my ilk, so it is best not to bite the hand that feeds you.
7378FE
Whooohooo!!! Way Coool!!
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4:00 AM Tuesday May 4, 2010
A partnership between Air New Zealand and Australian airline Virgin Blue that could result in up to 80 more flights across the Tasman each week is unlikely to deliver cheaper fares, aviation experts say.
The airlines yesterday revealed plans for a code-sharing alliance that, if accepted by New Zealand's Ministry of Transport and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, will see passengers share aircraft between the two
countries and on domestic connecting flights.
Air NZ chief Rob Fyfe said last night the airline's 130 flights a week across the Tasman would increase to 210, which would be more evenly distributed throughout the week.
Virgin Blue would operate 70 of the flights but passengers would travel on Air NZ tickets.
Meals, baggage allowances, fare classes and aircraft would be "aligned" for passengers, who would be able to use each airline's airpoints and airport lounges.
"[Virgin Blue] haven't announced the detail yet but they've announced they're going to roll out an Airline of the Future product and we know that that is going to be very, very similar to what our product offering is," said Mr Fyfe.
"Our belief, and what our alliance agreement requires, is that Virgin's product offering and our product offering are aligned. "If you don't have product alignment it's really hard to make these sorts of alliances work."
Mr Fyfe said the average price of the cheapest fares to Australia would probably stay about the same but it was possible more expensive flights would be at least 10 per cent cheaper.
He said the airline had struggled to make money from the Tasman market and he hoped the move would see an increase in passengers from competitor airlines.
"You either keep reducing [services] until you cease to exist or you find another way to strengthen your position, and the best way to do that is to find a partner to work with.
"Our view is if we don't do this then we'll end up becoming a smaller and smaller player on the Tasman and we won't have any other choices."
Experts contacted yesterday agreed. Brent Thomas, retail director for House of Travel said the alliance appeared to be a great move which would make the highly-competitive Tasman route more sustainable.
It would open up opportunities for tourists to get connecting flights to less-travelled locations in both countries, which would be good for tourism.
Aviation commentator Peter Clark said he was confident the alliance would go ahead.
Air NZ was knocked back in its bid to code-share with Qantas in 2006 because of fears the move would stop competition.
But Mr Clark said the proposed alliance was different because there was no money changing hands. Consumers would benefit because of increased flight options but he doubted it would lead to cheaper fares.
A Commerce Commission spokeswoman said the agency would assess issues relating to competition.
A Ministry of Transport spokeswoman said an official application from Air NZ and Virgin Blue had not been received yesterday.
"Once the ministry has received an application, the next step will be to confirm the details of the process we will follow, including time-frames and opportunities for stakeholders and other interested parties to make their views known."
Reviews of the application for the code-share, which Mr Fyfe said was being lodged last night, are expected to take six months and services are not expected to begin before Mar
A partnership between Air New Zealand and Australian airline Virgin Blue that could result in up to 80 more flights across the Tasman each week is unlikely to deliver cheaper fares, aviation experts say.
The airlines yesterday revealed plans for a code-sharing alliance that, if accepted by New Zealand's Ministry of Transport and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, will see passengers share aircraft between the two
countries and on domestic connecting flights.
Air NZ chief Rob Fyfe said last night the airline's 130 flights a week across the Tasman would increase to 210, which would be more evenly distributed throughout the week.
Virgin Blue would operate 70 of the flights but passengers would travel on Air NZ tickets.
Meals, baggage allowances, fare classes and aircraft would be "aligned" for passengers, who would be able to use each airline's airpoints and airport lounges.
"[Virgin Blue] haven't announced the detail yet but they've announced they're going to roll out an Airline of the Future product and we know that that is going to be very, very similar to what our product offering is," said Mr Fyfe.
"Our belief, and what our alliance agreement requires, is that Virgin's product offering and our product offering are aligned. "If you don't have product alignment it's really hard to make these sorts of alliances work."
Mr Fyfe said the average price of the cheapest fares to Australia would probably stay about the same but it was possible more expensive flights would be at least 10 per cent cheaper.
He said the airline had struggled to make money from the Tasman market and he hoped the move would see an increase in passengers from competitor airlines.
"You either keep reducing [services] until you cease to exist or you find another way to strengthen your position, and the best way to do that is to find a partner to work with.
"Our view is if we don't do this then we'll end up becoming a smaller and smaller player on the Tasman and we won't have any other choices."
Experts contacted yesterday agreed. Brent Thomas, retail director for House of Travel said the alliance appeared to be a great move which would make the highly-competitive Tasman route more sustainable.
It would open up opportunities for tourists to get connecting flights to less-travelled locations in both countries, which would be good for tourism.
Aviation commentator Peter Clark said he was confident the alliance would go ahead.
Air NZ was knocked back in its bid to code-share with Qantas in 2006 because of fears the move would stop competition.
But Mr Clark said the proposed alliance was different because there was no money changing hands. Consumers would benefit because of increased flight options but he doubted it would lead to cheaper fares.
A Commerce Commission spokeswoman said the agency would assess issues relating to competition.
A Ministry of Transport spokeswoman said an official application from Air NZ and Virgin Blue had not been received yesterday.
"Once the ministry has received an application, the next step will be to confirm the details of the process we will follow, including time-frames and opportunities for stakeholders and other interested parties to make their views known."
Reviews of the application for the code-share, which Mr Fyfe said was being lodged last night, are expected to take six months and services are not expected to begin before Mar
excuse my ignorance but how does that work with A/NZ being a full service airline and VB not?
I would be mighty pissed if I booked with A/NZ and was put on a VB flight paying for meals and entertainment. Perhaps VB are about to become a full service carrier?
I would be mighty pissed if I booked with A/NZ and was put on a VB flight paying for meals and entertainment. Perhaps VB are about to become a full service carrier?
GG,
Sounds like some type of full service is on the cards.
Meals, baggage allowances, fare classes and aircraft would be "aligned" for passengers, who would be able to use each airline's airpoints and airport lounges.
"[Virgin Blue] haven't announced the detail yet but they've announced they're going to roll out an Airline of the Future product and we know that that is going to be very, very similar to what our product offering is," said Mr Fyfe.
"[Virgin Blue] haven't announced the detail yet but they've announced they're going to roll out an Airline of the Future product and we know that that is going to be very, very similar to what our product offering is," said Mr Fyfe.
It may become full service for the pax, but for the crew it will remain low cost
I'm almost cretin that employment in Australia under a different countries employment laws is illegal. No super, taxed elsewhere.
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excuse my ignorance but how does that work with A/NZ being a full service airline and VB not?
Because NZ is changeing its PI/TT services to be run like a LCC, base fares no longer include free meals & bags!
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Not sure how the Airwork, Pioneer and Vincent contracts are set up, I was under the impression airwork freight contracts were under aussie law. The other two might be on short term rotations which is very different to creating a base in Aus.
Anyone in the know may be able to shed some light.
Anyone in the know may be able to shed some light.