Qantas Dose Of Competitive Reality
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Any JQ charters operated by QF will carry 4 digit flight numbers.
QF600 series MELBNE flts are not JQ charters. Some will however carry the JQ codeshare flt number.
From moa999 - "3. Qantas already splits its Europe traffic via Sing, Bangkok and HK - does it make commercial sense to split it further."
Split them, perhaps not, but why not a new service?
and "For oneworld connections, QF would be better fly to Amman where Royal Jordanian has a great hub"
So why not Amman ? provides plenty of connections to Lebanon (where I'm sure most of the traffic is heading to anyway ? ), and as stated it is a Oneworld airline - then onto Manchester (if it could ? ) providing an alternative for people wanting to travel to the Midlands and all points north and avoids LHR.
Split them, perhaps not, but why not a new service?
and "For oneworld connections, QF would be better fly to Amman where Royal Jordanian has a great hub"
So why not Amman ? provides plenty of connections to Lebanon (where I'm sure most of the traffic is heading to anyway ? ), and as stated it is a Oneworld airline - then onto Manchester (if it could ? ) providing an alternative for people wanting to travel to the Midlands and all points north and avoids LHR.
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EK fare was $1959 each inc taxes when I booked in January. Then the cheapest QANTAS fare was around $2200-$2300. Even if QF or SQ was cheaper there is the inconvenience ie additional 8 hrs travel time and an extra stop. You can't change geography, it's a shorter distance via Dubai. Would consider going through anywhere in the UAE but Jordan, Syria or anywhere bordering Israel - don't think so. I could have paid $1650 with Air Asia and gone KL to Stansted but then you have to pay for a loco like Easyjet to NCL with a long stopover. Not worth it. Will qualify for an upgrade on my next trip with EK as well. Did I mention their 30kg baggage allowance for economy?
I'm all for competition but how do you beat that QF?
I'm all for competition but how do you beat that QF?
Etihad has been operating since 2004 and has still not made a profit.
How can you compete with a company which has such deep pockets and doesn't have to make money (although they no doubt will one day).
How can you compete with a company which has such deep pockets and doesn't have to make money (although they no doubt will one day).
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veeeffarr, a small word of caution.
a mate's sister is cc with emirates.
don't accept the towels offered on board, they are recycled!
her stories about the paki labourers and the towels are gross.
QF don't recycle towels but we dropped them in y/c 6 months ago
a mate's sister is cc with emirates.
don't accept the towels offered on board, they are recycled!
her stories about the paki labourers and the towels are gross.
QF don't recycle towels but we dropped them in y/c 6 months ago
QF missed out badly by not having 777s. A Singapore hub with onward connections could have given a wide network with one stop access, routes such as Adelaide - Bombay or Brisbane - Paris would have been possible.
Offer a good product, reduce the cost structure. Maintenance could be done in Singapore under strict supervision, foreign flight attendants could legally be used on many of the routes as opposed to Jetstar illegally using foreigners on Australian domestic services.
A leaner, long term sustainable QANTAS would be better for Aussie jobs than a bloated high cost carrier which can't compete and eventually goes the way of Ansett.
Prehaps they'll get it right with the B787.
Offer a good product, reduce the cost structure. Maintenance could be done in Singapore under strict supervision, foreign flight attendants could legally be used on many of the routes as opposed to Jetstar illegally using foreigners on Australian domestic services.
A leaner, long term sustainable QANTAS would be better for Aussie jobs than a bloated high cost carrier which can't compete and eventually goes the way of Ansett.
Prehaps they'll get it right with the B787.
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Incorrect. The J* charters SYD-HNL-SYD operate as the QF3 & QF4 respectively. They are ATS planned as those flight numbers as well. Ask any crew who have done one.
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
When the JQ charter flights to HNL operate they are set up in the res and CM system using QF6403 and QF6404 which are the numbers we use in those systems for charters. So JQ get to keep the revenue from the ticket sales and presumably down the track pay QF for the charter.
I would however be amazed to think that would ever occur
I would however be amazed to think that would ever occur
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So JQ get to keep the revenue from the ticket sales and presumably down the track pay QF for the charter.
Koto, Ken etc: As others have alluded to, it IS all about the money.
1. Sitting in the cockpit pre-departure chatting to engineer about GSE (Aircon, power carts etc) availability. Engineer points across the tarmac at the ground equipment we gave to JQ for free and now when we need it, we hire it back!
2. No 767 bays available in BNE domestic as we taxi in. Except Bay 25, which is reserved at the QF terminal for JQ. Call up ops on the radio to see if it'll be free long enough for us to park & turnaround. Ops say yes, but we can't use it. Why? Because it costs too much money. We have to pay JQ for it! Sit waiting with engines burning for 15-20 mins for another bay to become available. The extra fuel, delay, and angry pax are cheaper to deal with.
3. From the mouth of a manager at HNL in the early days: One million dollars of A330-related equipment for the JQ service billed to Qantas mainline account. Manager calls up and asks for JQ account details. Manager told to wind his neck in.
We are not completely stupid. We all know what the "Qantas Group" is doing, and what business practices they are using to achieve it.
