QF A380 rejected take off YMML
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My time is not as precious as my life
To any Qantas pilot/engineer/ground crew who is reading this ... regardless of the opinions posted elsewhere in this forum, this passenger (namely, me) is more than happy to sit and wait until you feel that the aircraft is ready to take off. My time is not as precious as my life. I much prefer travelling with a company who will get me there late rather than not at all.
me_whynot,
Don't worry, the opinion of people on Pprune would never even weigh into the mind of a Pilot/Engineer/Ground crew member when it comes to this sort of stuff. If it is not fixed or allowable then we do not go - simple as that.
Im sure that even the **** stirrers on this forum (yes, we are ALL guilty at times) also agree with this and in the situation themselves would not hesitate to delay if there was any doubt to the safety of the operation.
Most of the tit for tat here is simply JQ & VB jumping on the QF bash wagon when QF has an incident, or if it isn't that its VB & QF jumping on the JQ bash wagon when JQ has an incident, or its QF & JQ jumping on the VB bash wagon when VB has an incident...
If we had to put names to our comments here, im pretty sure the forum would be 90% quieter... ... ... ... ... ... now there is an idea!
Regards.
ODL
Don't worry, the opinion of people on Pprune would never even weigh into the mind of a Pilot/Engineer/Ground crew member when it comes to this sort of stuff. If it is not fixed or allowable then we do not go - simple as that.
Im sure that even the **** stirrers on this forum (yes, we are ALL guilty at times) also agree with this and in the situation themselves would not hesitate to delay if there was any doubt to the safety of the operation.
Most of the tit for tat here is simply JQ & VB jumping on the QF bash wagon when QF has an incident, or if it isn't that its VB & QF jumping on the JQ bash wagon when JQ has an incident, or its QF & JQ jumping on the VB bash wagon when VB has an incident...
If we had to put names to our comments here, im pretty sure the forum would be 90% quieter... ... ... ... ... ... now there is an idea!
Regards.
ODL
Comments about Qantas, its reliability and safety are at variance with opinions expressed by the same posters elsewhere on Pprune, specifically the Qantas staff engagement thread:
reeltime:
Why would anyone want to fly with an airline staffed with bored and disengaged people who slag off at their customers at every opportunity?
To put it another way:
Legacy airline = legacy safety record
You are living on a reputation that you no longer have. Look no further than the engineers dispute. Read the engineers EBA dispute thread. Please explain how bored, disengaged, engineers, badly managed by cheese paring "managers" that they have no respect for, are not one of the potential "holes in the Swiss cheese"?
Please explain how the selection and training of the "A380 team" of engineers is really quite good, when plenty of Pprune posters said to the contrary?
...And keep abusing your customers for their temerity in finding fault with your airline.
reeltime:
QF management always make the right noises on this issue, but the staff have long since stopped listening. I guess 10 years of Dixon belting you over the head does that.
All these touchy feely phrases don't hide the fact that this company still engage the services of IR consultants, who's sole mission is to drive down wages and conditions by a never ending strategy of divide and conquer.
QF group staff at each others throats = happy QF management.
Whilst this remains the case, staff engagement at the rat is but a pipedream.
All these touchy feely phrases don't hide the fact that this company still engage the services of IR consultants, who's sole mission is to drive down wages and conditions by a never ending strategy of divide and conquer.
QF group staff at each others throats = happy QF management.
Whilst this remains the case, staff engagement at the rat is but a pipedream.
Why would anyone want to fly with an airline staffed with bored and disengaged people who slag off at their customers at every opportunity?
To put it another way:
Legacy airline = legacy safety record
You are living on a reputation that you no longer have. Look no further than the engineers dispute. Read the engineers EBA dispute thread. Please explain how bored, disengaged, engineers, badly managed by cheese paring "managers" that they have no respect for, are not one of the potential "holes in the Swiss cheese"?
Please explain how the selection and training of the "A380 team" of engineers is really quite good, when plenty of Pprune posters said to the contrary?
...And keep abusing your customers for their temerity in finding fault with your airline.
I don't think anyone has an issue with not flying until an aircraft's problems have been fixed.
The issue in the public mind is how long do you keep pax cooped up on the tarmac for, before calling knock it off and letting them disembark.
The issue in the public mind is how long do you keep pax cooped up on the tarmac for, before calling knock it off and letting them disembark.
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I reckon the answer to that is as long as it takes to deplane/reboard them.
Sometimes though it takes a while to diagnose the problem, surely you don't let them off until you are sure it can't be fixed quickly. I can see how this may take 3-4 hours, especially when you consider 'the rule of threes', whatever time an engineer tells you multiply it by three...
Sometimes though it takes a while to diagnose the problem, surely you don't let them off until you are sure it can't be fixed quickly. I can see how this may take 3-4 hours, especially when you consider 'the rule of threes', whatever time an engineer tells you multiply it by three...
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Of course this lot aren't paranoid now are they?
Honey, I closed the airport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Nothing to do with racsism, by the way.
tipsy
Honey, I closed the airport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Nothing to do with racsism, by the way.
tipsy
'the rule of threes', whatever time an engineer tells you multiply it by three...
What happened to the Montgomery Scott philosophy:
Don't tell them how long it will really take. Then when you do it in half the time people will think of you as a miracle worker ........
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Because, Bootstrap, Australians seem to take great pleasure in making mountains out of molehills where the Rat is concerned, even though it provides employment to 30 000 odd Aussies, and is still a very good airline.
I would rather be delayed 5 hours in a seat with food, entertainment and updates than be sent off to wander aimlessly around an airport spending money, wondering what the hell was happening and then going through a re-screening process.
I would rather be delayed 5 hours in a seat with food, entertainment and updates than be sent off to wander aimlessly around an airport spending money, wondering what the hell was happening and then going through a re-screening process.
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Well said Charlie Fly Away. When is the Qantas envy going to end Sunfish? Ansett is gone. Can we please let it rest in peace. Qantas is truly one of he great airlines in the world, by any measure, not the least of which is that it is still in business despite SARS, 9/11, the GFC, APA etc. No amount of whingeing on this forum or any other by a few envious people will change the facts. Why not join the millions of happy passengers, satisfied regulators (world wide) and the vast majority of the 31,000 staff who rightly support this great airline. If you are a JQ employee reading this, then thank your lucky stars. Do you think for a single moment that JQ could have survived if it wasn't for the the vast resources and enviable reputation enjoyed by QF?
